Skip to comments.Doctors ready to 'just say no' (Majority won't accept new patients under government plan)
Posted on 08/25/2009 9:45:23 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
My fellow physicians and I share one interesting thing in common with professionals in the federal government: We all take an oath relating to our jobs.
A physician pledges to "apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism." We also pledge to "remember that [we] do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability."
A federal employee pledges to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ... ."
Will the federal employees who implement a government-run health care option begin to take the Hippocratic Oath in addition to their traditional oath of office?
Will federal bureaucrats pledge to keep in mind the human consequences of their decisions? Will they pledge, as doctors do, to "remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug"?
I suspect they will not.
President Obama has said over and over that if you like your doctor you'll be able to keep your doctor. This is patently false. If a physician opts not to sign on to a government-run option, and the government-run plan is what you're stuck with, you will lose your doctor. It's as simple and as terrible as that.
The moral lines drawn by my oath are very clear to me. I know they cannot be honored when working with a government system. I will stand my ground and refuse to work with a plan run by people who do not share my oath. Research indicates I am not alone in this position -- but am, in fact, in the majority.
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I am guessing these doctors do not want to depend on the gubment to pay them.... Like the auto dealers that are waiting and waiting and waiting to be repaid for cash for clunkers
All we need is the spark....
It better come before the “fuel” becomes too diluted.
...I love my family doctor; he’s my kind of guy...(he just bought 3000 rounds of .45 ammo)....he hates the thought of government run health care...and moreover, he feels that there simply are not enough doctors in the US to carry it out....plus, Obamacare will be such a fiasco that nobody will want to go to Med School.
President Obama has said over and over that if you like your doctor you’ll be able to keep your doctor. This is patently false. If a physician opts not to sign on to a government-run option, and the government-run plan is what you’re stuck with, you will lose your doctor. It’s as simple and as terrible as that.
I think these doctors should make up a little flyer saying
this statement...and pass it out to their patients starting now....
Count me in with the 60%.
This is the crux of the matter. Doctors are professionals, not automatons. They don’t deliver an product like a TV or an electric skillet that can be regulated by law.
Medicine is not an exact science ... not like, say, engineering. Doctors make judgement calls every day. Sometimes they are wrong. Sometime they have to make an (educated) guess or engage in ‘rule out the variables’ tactics.
No large scale bureaucracy (government or private) can effectively administer something as imprecise and as variable as medicine.
“I am guessing these doctors do not want to depend on the gubment to pay them.... “
can’t blame them...for their Medicare and Medicaid patients, they make pennies on the dollar. If a public option passes and doctors, en mass, refuse those patients, the government will have to force the doctors to see them. What good is insurance if you can’t find a doc.
Social engineering fails everytime it’s tried.
I’m proud of these doctors that refuse to follow the dictates of the government!
Treating to protocol is dangerous medicine!
Glimmer of hope! I mean the real hope, not that crap bam is peddling.
Just one reason 0bama will not get away with the claim, people may be ignorant of many things, they are not ignorant of their own experiences, history.
****Treating to protocol is dangerous medicine!****
Yep. Bureaucratic health care is bad medicine.
Which is why at some point, there will be no private physicians, every person who wishes to practice medicine will be under the umbrella of the federal government, socialized system. It is inevitable ... and already legislated, the language whereby some *panel* (forgive my euphemism) will be assigning particular people to particular specialties, particular physicians to particular geographic locations. There are FReepers who say we are making things up, "That's not in the bill", etc., when we warn of rationing, losing the ability to contract with a private physician in order to get what you need/want. They apparently cannot see what is clearly down the road should the basic structure of socialized medicine begin here in America. It is that reason why there can be no bill passed whatever, no silly *compromise" with Republicans.
It is possible to assist those in true need without this horror.
You make that seem like something that "might" happen. Just to let you know, all hospital based employees are de-facto government agents through the EMTALA laws. We've already got "universal" coverage.
It is against the law for any ER physician to ask or obtain information related to payment prior to completing a medical screening exam.
It is against the law for the ER physician or hospital to transfer patients to another facility if they offer the same level of care and are able to provide that service regardless of ability to pay.
It is illegal for a hospital to deny acceptance of a patient if that facility offers a service that a transferring hospital is not able to provide. ..... you see where I'm going with this.
There are solutions to the "crisis" but what the government wants is to get its hands on the MONEY that the insurance companies have. I've waited and waited for someone to just think about this whole scam of "universal" health care.
Socialism/Fascism is the government control of the means of production.
Think about this.... what makes our country "work"... factories, people, natural resources..etc, etc....
The government controls the banks, it now controls the major brokerage houses, it controls the unions and regulates businesses by environmental and work related legislation.... so now all that is left is the most important thing.. MONEY.
The biggest pot of money ... CASH... is in the hands of insurance companies. They have to invest in order to cover the cost that you may incur during any period of time... they calculate risk, payout, life expectancy, amortization tables and on and on... they HAVE to make a profit or they will be unable to pay for your ICU, Chemo, breast reduction/augmentation..whatever.
If you notice that Pelosi and Reid let the cat out of the bag by ranting about "evil profits" that the insurance companies make. That's the game... cause insurance companies invest in bonds, stocks, and other instruments of finances in order to spread risk and make money...
If the government takes over the insurance companies, there is no "private" small time investment without government intrusion. Think about Europeans... do they have Schwab, E-trade etc.... not as much as we do. That's what this whole scam is about MONEY.... that's why you notice that Rahm and Gore and even Chelsea Clinton worked for "hedge funds" or investment groups... they know that the game is rigged. They can pick their winners and make money going in and out of "government service"... you know.. just "hepping us poor folk"... hahahahaha... It's right out in the open.. they want chaos cause it hides what they're trying to do...
their special little cohort of "friends", family and business partners are positioned to make money. they'll also be able to "jump the line" for health care and for anything the ruling class now wants.
Health care's "universal coverage" and Being able to control the proles is just the cherry on the top.
I'd be interested in any FReeper thoughts on the matter and would like others to spread this around and see what they think.
I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact of short term government take over.... hoping for a complete meltdown financially for the US and the free world and then a renaissance of free market capitalism.... I'm hunkering down financially and have no debt. I've got the kids educated and trying to show them skills and work habits that will allow them to at least have a chance or spiritual and intellectual freedom.... I think these next 12-14 years are going to be a mess.
Kinda like the 70's with it's own brand of music-rap instead of disco, it's own crappy president-obamalamadingdong instead or Carter, it's own drugs... meth and prescription Adderall instead of cocaine and pot, and erosion of our military and intelligence agencies ..same old same old.
For those that haven't saved, I'd get out of debt if possible. I'm liking the life in a small Texas city. I'm sure there are pockets though out the country of places where you can lower living expenses, have access to firearms and are business friendly. . I'd find them and get there, cause something evil is coming down the path I think and only the well prepared will do well... as is the case most of the time I suppose...
A physician cannot charge a patient more than 115% of the medicare allowable charge under non-assignment., and the enitre reimbursement by medicare is paid to the patient. The doctor must then collect the whole amount from the patient. I have heard of patients taking the money and running, leaving the doc with zilch.
health care to lawyers and extended families should be withdrawn.
If they manage to force universal, single-payer healthcare upon us, they will certainly not permit doctors to refuse to participate. As you can read by many posts, many doctors would choose not to participate for ethical reasons, and many more for financial reasons. We can’t have the majority of doctors boycotting the crown jewel of the socialist plan, can we? There will be some kind of coercion. Maybe it will be their medical licenses, or maybe they will just run all the other insurance out of business so there really is only one payer left. Either take the $20 for an office visit the government offers you, or find a new career.
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