Posted on 07/28/2009 12:59:57 PM PDT by presidio9
0bama lies like Satan.
Bump for later reading
Bush got 52% for reelection in 2004 but he didn't win them in 2000 and things were back to normal in 2008 when Obama got 54% of the Catholic vote. Clinton himself got 53% in 1996 and that was with Perot getting another 10% of their vote that year.
The evangelicals in the Republican party just don’t “get” Catholics. Bush was the first leader since Reagan to be “simpatico.”
The evangelicals in the Republican party just don’t “get” Catholics. Bush was the first leader since Reagan to be “simpatico.”
You and the pollsters are confused by who is a Catholic. According to the Catholic Church, you stop being a member as soon as you stop going to Church every week. As soon as you start making up your own rules, you have invented your own religion.
I don't have the results for every election, but I believe 88% of practicing Catholics voted for McCain in the last one.
The Demonrats do a much better job at politics than do the Republicans generally. Elitist Republicans miss their good old days when the GOP was the Planned Barrenhood Party of Main Street banking skinflints and all Republicans were rather homogeneous in terms of nationality and socio-economic background. They apparently think they can bring the abortionist crowd back home along with the lavender "marriage" crowd and feminazis generally and since everyone down at the polo club agrees with their views, it is just hard to understand why they keep getting clobbered by commoners at the polls.
If we manage to lose this nation to permanent tyranny, permanent holocaust, socialism cubed and entrenched anti-Americanism in high places, it will not be the work of socially conservative Catholic ethnics. Also. ever bear in mind that being baptised Catholic does not make one a Catholic for life. The Faith must be lived. Many of the "Catholic" politicians and mere voters with whom you may be familiar are no more Catholic than Margaret Sanger who was baptised Catholic. If they are not weekly Mass goers and observant in other ways, including refusing support to abortion, they are not Catholic any more no matter what they may imagine. The Church defines "Catholic" not Gallup.
No one knows what the numbers are for your too specific for politics definition of Catholic is, but republicans got 62% of the white Catholics vote that go to church at least once a week.
To get to the 80s you would have to go with the white evangelicals that go to church every week, republicans got 83% of their vote.
About 32% of Hispanic voters are Protestant, they voted 56% for Bush in 2004, Catholic Hispanics gave Bush 33% of their vote in 2004, exactly the same as they did in 2000.
In the 2008 election republicans only got 22% of the Hispanic Catholic vote but they still received 48% of the Protestant Hispanic vote.
Obama is dishonest in his outreach. He is not reaching out to REAL Catholics — only the CINOs.
The canon law of the Catholic Church sets the following requirements: 1) Baptism 3) Total acceptance to the revelation of Jesus Christ as interpreted by the Church. 2) Adult Confirmation of Batismal vows (see 3) 3) Acceptance of and adherence to all other Church laws (ex: the sanctity of life) 4) Confession of sins through the sacrament of reconciliation periodically and as necessary 5) Attendence at Mass weekly and on Holy Days (1-4 are repeated during Mass) There are celebrites and political figures who call themselves Catholic, but fail to meet these requirements. When Church spokesmen are asked why someone like Ted Kennedy has not been excommunicated, the answer is frequently that no man can see into the heart of another man, but that he may have excommunicated himself. The media may accept the idea that anyone calling himself a Catholic is one. This is not the case, because religious affiliation is not the same thing as ethnicity. I don't know (and I REALLY don't care) what the rules are for evangelical Christians. The Catholic Church's rules are quite clear, and they have been in place for centuries. If you're not following them, you're not a Catholic. Period.
While you are claiming that 32% of Hispanics are Protestant, I am quite skeptical and I was using the Mexican vote figures and not the Hispanic figures generally. The other major Hispanic groups are Puerto Ricans who tend to be overwhelmingly Demonrat and the much smaller Cuban population that is still heavily Republican but not as much as previously.
I have no interest whatsoever in getting involved in a Catholic vs. Protestant urination contest here. I also claim very little knowledge of Hispanic Protestants of any stripe. If 48% voted Republican, good for them and may they be ever more Republican than they already are. I can tell you that the GOP is suiciding with the Mexican Catholic vote and that is borne out by all voting statistics in recent elections and trends among them. The high percentage of Hispanics among Catholics (most of them by far Mexican) threatens the GOP among Catholics generally since attacks on some of us are often regarded, right or wrong, as attacks on all of us.
Again, the Demonrats, in spite of their all out support for baby-killing and for sexual perversions, play the game of politics infinitely better than does the largely clueless GOP.
I’m interested in politics right now not religion so you are wasting your time giving me the long religious point of view about voting numbers.
Even you must agree that breaking the Catholic vote down to being ‘a white Catholic and attending church at least once a week’ is close enough to your definition of “Catholic”, that group was the most conservative of the Catholics, voting 62% republican in 2008, not the 88% that you thought.
“While you are claiming that 32% of Hispanics are Protestant, I am quite skeptical and I was using the Mexican vote figures and not the Hispanic figures generally. “
Hispanics and the 2004 Election:
Population, Electorate and Voters Pew Research
Religion appears to be linked to President Bushs improved showing
among Hispanics in 2004 over 2000, when he took 34 percent of Latino
votes. Hispanic Protestants made up a larger share of the Latino vote last
year (32% in 2004 compared with 25% in 2000), and 56 percent of these
voters supported the president in 2004, compared with 44 percent in 2000.
The presidents share of the Hispanic Catholic vote remained essentially
unchanged between 2000 and 2004.
I happen to be Catholic and I am NEVER going to change that. OTOH, I would be a fool not to ally with other hristians who agree on about 95% of the important things and differ only on a few things. I generally refuse to fight with non-Catholic Christians for the entertainment of our mutual enemies. The exceptions are when my Catholic Faith is attacked and when people who are not Catholic claim to be and misrepresent the Catholic Faith.
What percentage of the Hispanic vote is Catholic or Protestant and what percentage of the Hispanic population in the US is Catholic or Protestant are not the same thing. My Knights of Columbus Council is a verrry successful and verrry fast growing council but we have had almost no success in recruiting Mexican Catholics (who abound in the parish which is our home base). The pastor belongs and is Mexican/American and one other member is a Mexican born during World War II in Texas. Recent immigrants are afflicted with paranoia over all the immigrant-bashing and this affects even those whose papers and immigration status are entirely in order. They absolutely pack the Spanish Mass on Sunday. They are absolutely respectful, fervent religiously, large families, well-behaved kids. The people at the Anglo Masses should look as Catholic.
Further, it is important to break down the Hispanic vote by specific nations of ancestry. They are by no means homogeneous. In order to win elections, we want more of them voting our way, regardless of religious affiliation. We had better figure out how to get those votes because they are already more numerous than African-Americans. Between Hispanics and lacks, the two groups make up ore than 25% of the population, leaving us to try to get 2/3 of the Anglos despite the large number of white leftists.
Yet there is. The more the conservative American Catholics learn about what the reality of Catholic voting is then the sooner they are likely to start looking at their non conservative voting segments and try to examine what is going wrong in those parts of the Catholic demographic.
I think the secret to winning the new demographics to conservatism is to expose them to the truths of our faiths as we interpret them here in America.
Nice backtracking, ftom when your point was that a majority of Catholics voted for Obama. I don’t define Catholics, the Vatican does, but how can you make a statement like that, if you have no idea what a Catholic is in the first place. Are you accepting the MSM’s definitions again? This is sort of like admitting you don’t have all the facts than then calling a police officer stupid anyway.
You seem determined to turn a political voting issue into some kind of personal thing, voting is what it is and when American people track votes by the major religions they do not contact the Vatican or you.
By the way you really don’t seem to know much about this subject, your interest seems to be some personal chauvinism of your own related to which church you go to.
Now, believe it or now, aside from the childish isults ("you really dont seem to know much about this subject), which have been demonstrated invalid in this very thread, I give you the benefit of the doubt. We are on the same side, and you are probably a nice guy. You just seem to be willfully ignorant on this subject. In the future, if you must spread MSM rumors and innuendo about the Catholic Church, you need to identify it as such. I won't be the only one who sees insintations like a majority of Catholics voted for Obama as a skulking attack on my faith.
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