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Hydrocarbons in the deep Earth? (Oil comes from non-plant sources)
Physorg.com ^ | July 26, 2009 | Carnegie Institution

Posted on 07/27/2009 8:28:57 AM PDT by ConservativeMind

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To: ConservativeMind

Color me unconvinced.


21 posted on 07/27/2009 8:39:51 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: ConservativeMind

I worked in the oil patch many years ago. I worked for Welex a now defunct subsidiary of Halliburton...gasp!. We were deep well completion experts since our party was the furtherest east in the company. Some of the well we shot into production were 23,000 to 25,000 feet.

I’ve never believed crude oil was formed from plant and / or animal remains. Do the math! How many billions of gallons of crude have been pumped out of the ground since 1859? Sorry, there has never been enough plant material available to form so much crude. Think about; only a tiny fraction would be deposited in the right conditions to be transformed into crude. The over whelming majority rots.


22 posted on 07/27/2009 8:42:52 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: ConservativeMind

“The oil and gas that fuels our homes and cars started out as living organisms that died, were compressed, and heated under heavy layers of sediments in the Earth’s crust.”

I believe this is a ridiculous, unprovable thing to say. The number of “living organisms” it would take to create the billions and billions of barrels of petroleum we have used or will use is unfathomable. I believe the oil and gas fields - just like other inaminate objects such as water, air, and rocks - were here from the day God created the earth.

So for that reason, “fossil fuels” is a misnomer. “Carbon fuel”? Fine.


23 posted on 07/27/2009 8:43:54 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable, and unambiguous clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Whaddaya know, oil as a renewable resource.


24 posted on 07/27/2009 8:43:57 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: Boiling Pots

I believe the Russian scientists are correct on this one.


25 posted on 07/27/2009 8:44:36 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable, and unambiguous clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

>> Oh, no!

Unlimited amounts of oil and natural gas means unlimited amounts of CO2 pollution. We will fry to death!!!!!!!! (Do I need to put in an /sarc tag?) <<

I have the perfect solution, build vast underground greenhouses powered by geothermal or nuclear energy that suck CO2 rich air from outside down into the green houses than can produce enough food to feed billions of people. Plus you use some of that underground produced food to feed “Vat Beef” to make some tasty artificially grown steaks, yummy yum yum!~

It would certainly give more people jobs than the crazy “green jobs” schemes of the left and we would actually minimize our foot print on nature, but the greens hate it because we have use the “oh so dangerous Nu-KE-LER” energy.

Jobs for digging the Underground caverns, jobs for building the reactors and green houses, jobs for tending the plants and harvesting the plants, etc....

No, windmills and solar cells and unicorn farts are so much better.....


26 posted on 07/27/2009 8:44:58 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: ConservativeMind

And did the hydrocarbons on Jupiter’s moons come from decaying organic material, too?


27 posted on 07/27/2009 8:45:30 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: GraceG

^
Forgot to add that underground food production would be immune to asteroid impact events, provided it wasn’t within several hundred miles of an impact site.


28 posted on 07/27/2009 8:46:54 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: norwaypinesavage

>> And did the hydrocarbons on Jupiter’s moons come from decaying organic material, too? <<

No Satan put them there to confuse us....

I would surmise those Hydrocarbons were formed in star death where there is tons of Carbon from exploding stars and plenty of unburned Hydrogen to combine with.


29 posted on 07/27/2009 8:48:17 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: ConservativeMind
Where do tar pits come from? The bitumen came from somewhere.

Tar pits are just another form of hydrocarbon seep.

Does it need to come from plants?

No. This deep Earth theory is one alternative. However, to my knowledge, no geologist has been able to use this deep Earth theory to predict where oil might be found whereas, using classical "squeezed dinosaur" theory, geologists can predict where to look for oil.

30 posted on 07/27/2009 8:49:38 AM PDT by fso301
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To: birddog

Wow - I can’t spell. Lets try that one again...

You are exactly right...

I’ve been following these stories for years and it makes way too much sense. Perfect explanation as to how “tapped out” wells have been refilling....

Nice to see that they are still working on proving it out....


31 posted on 07/27/2009 8:50:37 AM PDT by birddog (http://www.nohr669.com/)
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To: birddog
Perfect explaination as to way “tapped out” wells have been refilling....

A better explanation may be that oil is often found in porous rock formations. When a pool is drained by being pumped out from a particular well position, it takes some time for it to seep from the surrounding rock to where the well is positioned.

32 posted on 07/27/2009 8:53:35 AM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: ConservativeMind

Check out zionoil.com to read about a current application of the abiotic oil theory, in Israel of all places!


33 posted on 07/27/2009 8:55:48 AM PDT by TIElniff (Autonomy is the guise of every graceless heart.)
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To: ConservativeMind

So we need to stop calling it “fossil fuel.”


34 posted on 07/27/2009 8:57:26 AM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: ConservativeMind
So, it looks like the environmental Nazis are wrong yet again. We don't have a "finite" supply of hydrocarbons and for all we know, virtually all of our oil came from non-plant sources.

It depends on the rate of production versus the rate of consumption. Even if hydrocarbons are being formed in the mantle, if the rate at which oil reservoirs get replenished is a tiny percentage of consumption, we face the same situation as we would if there was no mantle production.

35 posted on 07/27/2009 9:02:09 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: ConservativeMind
This is more good reading.
36 posted on 07/27/2009 9:03:41 AM PDT by TOneocon (The reason there is so much poverty is because of the uneven distribution of capitalism...Rush)
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To: ConservativeMind

Jupiter is a ball of hydrogen.

Some of the moons and planets seem to be made of frozen methane.

So I’d say that hydrocarbons are the basic building blocks of the universe. The universe is made of hydrocarbons.


37 posted on 07/27/2009 9:13:30 AM PDT by marron
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To: steveo

Saturn’s moon Titan has a methane atmosphere, tar like continents, and seas of a kerosene like liquid.


38 posted on 07/27/2009 9:19:36 AM PDT by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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To: Islander7

“Do the math...”

Since you worked in the oil patch, I’ll direct this at you. I have a friend whose son works for a major oil company as a geologist. His son stated that what’s killing us on oil is not a lack of it. He said the 3 biggest things were:
1- The easy to get to oil has already been exploited.
2- A lot of the locations where the oil is located are not friendly to the US.
3- We have more oil here in the US, but the “Green” lobby seems to be dead set against any exploitation of any fossil fuel, or even expansion of our refinement capabilities.
The kid has always been pretty level headed and smart. He seems to think if we don’t start getting some kind of rational energy policy - we are going to keep getting bit. He said we need to try to move away from petroleum - it would be better for us if we didn’t use so much - but for the foreseeable future we are going to need all of it we can get, and we better exploit every available resource we have. Is the young man off base?-—JM


39 posted on 07/27/2009 9:23:24 AM PDT by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: ConservativeMind
During the “gas shortages” of the seventies, we were told oil and gas reserves would be gone in 25-30 years. We are absolutely awash in both more than forty years post predicted hydrocarbon apocalypse
40 posted on 07/27/2009 9:29:55 AM PDT by Cyman
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