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Hydrocarbons in the deep Earth? (Oil comes from non-plant sources)
Physorg.com ^ | July 26, 2009 | Carnegie Institution

Posted on 07/27/2009 8:28:57 AM PDT by ConservativeMind

The oil and gas that fuels our homes and cars started out as living organisms that died, were compressed, and heated under heavy layers of sediments in the Earth's crust. Scientists have debated for years whether some of these hydrocarbons could also have been created deeper in the Earth and formed without organic matter. Now for the first time, scientists have found that ethane and heavier hydrocarbons can be synthesized under the pressure-temperature conditions of the upper mantle —the layer of Earth under the crust and on top of the core. The research was conducted by scientists at the Carnegie Institution's Geophysical Laboratory, with colleagues from Russia and Sweden, and is published in the July 26, advanced on-line issue of Nature Geoscience.

Methane (CH4) is the main constituent of natural gas, while ethane (C2H6) is used as a petrochemical feedstock. Both of these hydrocarbons, and others associated with fuel, are called saturated hydrocarbons because they have simple, single bonds and are saturated with hydrogen. Using a diamond anvil cell and a laser heat source, the scientists first subjected methane to pressures exceeding 20 thousand times the atmospheric pressure at sea level and temperatures ranging from 1,300 F° to over 2,240 F°.

These conditions mimic those found 40 to 95 miles deep inside the Earth. The methane reacted and formed ethane, propane, butane, molecular hydrogen, and graphite. The scientists then subjected ethane to the same conditions and it produced methane. The transformations suggest heavier hydrocarbons could exist deep down. The reversibility implies that the synthesis of saturated hydrocarbons is thermodynamically controlled and does not require organic matter.

The scientists ruled out the possibility that catalysts used as part of the experimental apparatus were at work, but they acknowledge that catalysts could be involved in the deep Earth with its mix of compounds.

"We were intrigued by previous experiments and theoretical predictions," remarked Carnegie's Alexander Goncharov a coauthor. "Experiments reported some years ago subjected methane to high pressures and temperatures and found that heavier hydrocarbons formed from methane under very similar pressure and temperature conditions. However, the molecules could not be identified and a distribution was likely. We overcame this problem with our improved laser-heating technique where we could cook larger volumes more uniformly. And we found that methane can be produced from ethane."

The hydrocarbon products did not change for many hours, but the tell-tale chemical signatures began to fade after a few days.

Professor Kutcherov, a coauthor, put the finding into context: "The notion that hydrocarbons generated in the mantle migrate into the Earth's crust and contribute to oil-and-gas reservoirs was promoted in Russia and Ukraine many years ago. The synthesis and stability of the compounds studied here as well as heavier hydrocarbons over the full range of conditions within the Earth's mantle now need to be explored. In addition, the extent to which this 'reduced' carbon survives migration into the crust needs to be established (e.g., without being oxidized to CO2). These and related questions demonstrate the need for a new experimental and theoretical program to study the fate of carbon in the deep Earth."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abiogenic; thomasgold
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So, it looks like the environmental Nazis are wrong yet again. We don't have a "finite" supply of hydrocarbons and for all we know, virtually all of our oil came from non-plant sources.
1 posted on 07/27/2009 8:28:57 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

Do you have a link?


2 posted on 07/27/2009 8:30:07 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: ConservativeMind

No one will believe this.

Oil “running out” is the way to control our lives.


3 posted on 07/27/2009 8:30:38 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Admin Moderator

http://www.physorg.com/news167835116.html

Sorry about that.


4 posted on 07/27/2009 8:30:44 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: netmilsmom

Russian scientists have been of the opinion that oil is not from organic sources for a long time.


5 posted on 07/27/2009 8:31:46 AM PDT by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: ConservativeMind

np, thanks


6 posted on 07/27/2009 8:32:28 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: ConservativeMind

Was it Io or some other moon they said had strong evidence of hydrocarbons?


7 posted on 07/27/2009 8:32:37 AM PDT by steveo
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To: ConservativeMind

Very interesting. Thanks for the link.


8 posted on 07/27/2009 8:33:10 AM PDT by FormerRep
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"The notion that hydrocarbons generated in the mantle migrate into the Earth's crust and contribute to oil-and-gas reservoirs was promoted in Russia and Ukraine many years ago.

It was inwented in Leningrad.

9 posted on 07/27/2009 8:33:54 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Achtung. preparen zie fur die obamahopenchangen.)
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bookmark


10 posted on 07/27/2009 8:34:05 AM PDT by federal
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To: ConservativeMind

Oh, no!

Unlimited amounts of oil and natural gas means unlimited amounts of CO2 pollution. We will fry to death!!!!!!!! (Do I need to put in an /sarc tag?)


11 posted on 07/27/2009 8:34:07 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ConservativeMind
This theory has been around for some time and has been discussed many times on FR.

If oil is in fact being continuously produced in large quantities from deep within the crust and seeping up, why then is oil typically found in geologic basins?

12 posted on 07/27/2009 8:34:38 AM PDT by fso301
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To: ConservativeMind

I knew it seemed we had gone through a fair share of dead dinosaurs already. Either that or those suckers covered every inch of the planet.


13 posted on 07/27/2009 8:35:55 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ABC-AP-MSNBC-All Obama, All the time.)
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To: ConservativeMind

I believe Thomas Gold did interesting work in this direction as well. The ideas are out there, and some evidence has been gathered — but there seems to be no real urge to make an effort and prove or disprove it.


14 posted on 07/27/2009 8:36:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I don't believe anything anyone says about anything anymore.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I didn’t fall for the Dinosaur story when I was eight.


15 posted on 07/27/2009 8:37:51 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Boiling Pots

I tried to tell my DH this. He thought I was nuts.
I just sent him this article.

FReepers are ahead of the curve.


16 posted on 07/27/2009 8:37:55 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: fso301

Maybe the Penn Square Bank can syndicate loans to search for “deep gas”.


17 posted on 07/27/2009 8:38:28 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: netmilsmom

You are exactly right...

I’ve been following these stories for years and it makes way too much sence. Perfect explaination as to way “tapped out” wells have been refilling....

Nice to see that they are still working on proving it out....


18 posted on 07/27/2009 8:38:50 AM PDT by birddog (http://www.nohr669.com/)
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To: fso301

Where do tar pits come from? The bitumen came from somewhere. Does it need to come from plants?


19 posted on 07/27/2009 8:39:18 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: steveo

Methane is one of the building blocks of the early solar system, it is very abundant int he gas giants, it wouldn’t suprise me if there were large amounts of it on earthy earth that have been compressed into hydrocarbons.

Only Coal has been proven to have been made from plant matter due to fossils of plants and Forrest animals being found in coal, plus we see peat , then soft coal and then hard coal or anthracite. We see natural gas and light crude and heavy crude. But little if any fossils in oil. It could be the shallow oil deposits are from fossils, but the deeper ones could be abiogenic.


20 posted on 07/27/2009 8:39:23 AM PDT by GraceG
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