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If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Prior thread ^ | July 18, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

* * R O U G H * * D R A F T * *

(continuing my remarks from prior thread)

Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.

Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.

An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.

An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.

A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.

Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.

We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:

The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.

As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:

The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.

We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.

The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.

We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.

The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.

We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.

The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).

The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.

Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.

Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.

The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.

No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.

All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.

The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.

Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.

The Federal Reserve.

Border security.


FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.

Federal Pensions.

Etc, etc, etc.

Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.

This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.

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To: Melas
Then you have no worries.

LOL! I wasn't worried.
701 posted on 07/19/2009 6:13:18 PM PDT by Enoughofthissocialism (The laws of nature are not subject to legislation. Try to stop me from defending myself!)
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To: Enoughofthissocialism

Yet somehow I’ve never been arrested for anything in my entire life. Perhaps, just perhaps, I’m not the criminal you believe I am?

702 posted on 07/19/2009 6:14:09 PM PDT by Melas
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To: surfer

My FRiend, I’m not on the wrong side of the argument.

I have nothing against Jim’s vision. Jim is doing the best he can, and I congratulate him for that. However, I have no faith in this rabble remaining peaceful. Now perhaps Jim is right, and I’m wrong, in which case I must surely look like a fool, but I’m afraid that’s not the case. I’m afraid Jim’s peaceful vision will be swept away in mere moments, and the resulting chaos and violence will scar the nation for life.

703 posted on 07/19/2009 6:19:39 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas; Jim Robinson
There are FReepers who know where I live. I'm sure that one of you could probably glean that information and murder me as I go out the door to work one morning. Lacking any powers of precognition, there isn't much I can do about it, other than make my family aware of the danger, and pray that you sick bastards aren't so far gone that you'd murder my wife and children as well.

And Jim, now that you can see that at least one nutbar is willing to kill me BEFORE anything comes to blows, do you still think everyone's intentions are peaceful?

This filthy slander is as disgusting as it gets. Absolutely as disgusting and cowardly as it is unfounded and unwarranted.
704 posted on 07/19/2009 6:21:01 PM PDT by Enoughofthissocialism (The laws of nature are not subject to legislation. Try to stop me from defending myself!)
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To: Enoughofthissocialism

Slander would indicate an untruth. The truth is that this FReeper asked for my home address so a contest could be started to take me out. Jim is more than capable of verifying the veracity of that claim.

705 posted on 07/19/2009 6:23:22 PM PDT by Melas
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To: JPJones
This is true and necessary in a republic but the contrary actions must always go towards upholding the Constitution.

What we have now is deliberate actions to "go around" the Constitution.

In such cases, the Supreme Court is obliged to rule such legislation unconstitutional. The check is in the Constitution. It needs to be exercised.

706 posted on 07/19/2009 6:24:36 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: ballplayer; Jim Robinson

“Throw all the Bums Out” would make a great slogan for the movement!

Talk about throwing things out one has to make sure, in these delicate situations, that one doesn’t throw the proverbial ‘baby’ out with the bath water — if you know what I mean.

Forty five years of subversion against America from the far left will not be undone in a day.

Watch everything (on youtube) by X-KGB operative, Youri Bezmenov, about the subversion of the west.

The KGB and the brain washing of the West

Youri Bezmenov - Communist Psywar (Part 1)

Obama is the culmination — the EFFECT — of this sort of subversion.

Obama’s just putting the last nails in the coffin.

Our elected government officials — who are supposed to be OUR(’the peoples’)servants — now bow down and serve foreign and disparate interest... interest inimical to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Rather, as the aforementioned ‘officials’ enjoy the above we face the prospect of a circumscribed ‘life,’ economic — if not literal — slavery, and diminishing happiness.

They are traitors plain and simple.

Throw the Bums out, indeed!


707 posted on 07/19/2009 6:25:52 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: Melas

Another blatant lie. I NEVER tried to get your stinking address or asked for it or even wondered about it. YOU are the freak who threatened me and at least one other poster, then suggested I wanted to kill your wife and children. What is WRONG with you?

Stinking lies and slander and more lies.

708 posted on 07/19/2009 6:25:59 PM PDT by Enoughofthissocialism (The laws of nature are not subject to legislation. Try to stop me from defending myself!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Maybe my proposal is not the answer”

Know the constraints first and then you can optimize based on alternatives. Can you at least agree on a few basic constraints:
1. We live in a democratic Republic, and therefore success in implementing any policy requires winning hearts and minds.
2. If we support the Constitution and rule of law, then we will not doing anything that goes outside either.
3. Conclusion: Whatever the goals, the methods used to reach them will be peaceful and democratic processes, that will work in supporting a majority pro-freedom coalition majority.

“it’s going to require something much greater than business as usual.”

What if we learned from the Left and adopted their tactics and methods? Within the above constraints, there are MANY ‘not business as usual’ actions. Melting the phone lines, like was done on immigration bill, was one example.

More powerful would be a massive protest.

One million people in Washington DC on 9/12, who stage a protest and then do a SIT-IN at Congress and SHUT IT DOWN via Civil Disobedient actions and peaceful obstruction of Congressional activities, and a peaceful protest outside the White House - the largest since Vietnam War .... THAT would make a difference.

Far less was needed to shut down HillaryCare.

709 posted on 07/19/2009 6:27:24 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: Melas


What do you think would happen if Jim ever supported violence?

If you are smart you know where this ends...history has made this painfully clear. You can NEVER advocate violence because the police state would never allow it.

I am not saying the underlying process that Jim has proposed has violence as part of it however as I said earlier history is clear. It is unfortunate and I pray that we never see the day but this ultimately ends in a form of civil war - just look at ACORN to see what we are in for.

We need to be able to have frank discussions but unfortunately there are people that are selling our country out and we need to be smart about dealing with them.

710 posted on 07/19/2009 6:27:33 PM PDT by surfer
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To: Enoughofthissocialism

I never said you did. You should reread the post to you. I posted a single response to you and hotlead61. Hotlead61 asked for it, as I quoted.

And I did not threaten you. You called me a coward, and I said, “Make no mistakes Buckwheat, lock the two of us in a phone booth and you’d be the one begging for mercy.”

711 posted on 07/19/2009 6:28:42 PM PDT by Melas
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I agree...we need 10 million people in DC...that should be the goal or MORE!!!

Let’s see them arrest 10 million people.

Let’s let Barney Frank, et al see what they have created...a completely split country...those that do against those that thing they should have...

712 posted on 07/19/2009 6:29:55 PM PDT by surfer
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To: Melas

Another lie. Look at it. You posted it straight to me and made it look like I did it.

Disgusting and cowardly. Exactly the despicable type I was talking about.

713 posted on 07/19/2009 6:33:32 PM PDT by Enoughofthissocialism (The laws of nature are not subject to legislation. Try to stop me from defending myself!)
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To: Melas
We're not there yet, but if we get there, you ought to seriously consider where you want to be. Our situation is getting critical very quickly. Choose your side carefully, and remember the words of Samuel Adams...

714 posted on 07/19/2009 6:33:38 PM PDT by meyer (Obama's failure is America's Success.)
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To: surfer
Melas, What do you think would happen if Jim ever supported violence?

Instant crackdown on FR?

If you are smart you know where this ends...history has made this painfully clear. You can NEVER advocate violence because the police state would never allow it.

Why do you thing I'm so against it in the first place? I know exactly how this begins, plays out, and end. It starts with a good guy like Jim with great intentions. He gets the ball rolling, it gains momentum and builds. However, under the surface more violent personalities are at work, and before you know it they're in charge, and Jim's out in the cold. It ends with lots of innocent blood in the streets. Is that really what you want? American against American, brother against brother? We've done it before and it was ugly enough with weapons that were primitive by today's standards. Surely you do not want to go there.

715 posted on 07/19/2009 6:36:51 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas; All; Jim Robinson; kabar; ConservativeMan55; WOSG; Enoughofthissocialism; ballplayer

I think we need to think about everything that is being said on this thread.

This is a very serious situation facing our country and we have to stop this crap amongst ourselves.

Every post we make we should consider the source and also think about why FR is so important - it is one of the few places where we can discuss our ideas and thoughts.


Everyone chill out and let’s get organized...spend every minute you can convincing EVERYONE you know to protest in DC!!!

716 posted on 07/19/2009 6:41:13 PM PDT by surfer
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To: Travis McGee

You don’t adhere to the Constitution by trying to undo elections and repeal Amendments with a mob. If we truly revere the Constitution then we must must abide by its system of elections. If Obama were to declare himself dictator and not allow elections (or something of that nature) than we could Constitutionally resort to mobs and force but at the moment to do so would be to make ourselves the destroyers of the Constitution.

717 posted on 07/19/2009 6:41:50 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: Melas

Jim is exercising his right to free speech and DAMN IT he should be able to do it!

There is nothing to be against here. Jim is absolutely right in his positions and his right to speak freely about it. It doesn’t matter if you agree or not. We need to UNITE and get to DC in September that is all that matters!!!

718 posted on 07/19/2009 6:42:53 PM PDT by surfer
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To: Axeslinger

Ok, so you say “you’ve overstepped”. A movement cannot exist based on one unspecific complaint. THAT’S just a mob.

At this point it looks like many would advocate for a armed family march on DC. To what? Seriously.

To what? Come to blows? Exchange fire? Just shout angrily and go home.

And seriously quoting “The tree of liberty?” without the rest? Do you think we’re boneheads? Here’s the rest... “...must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

So you really think it’s so far gone that we should have a march on DC to refresh the tree of liberty with actual blood? Of whom? Me? You?

While I think the idea of a March is fine...count me OUT on the whole “blood of patriots and tyrants” thing. It has NOT gone THAT far. And I certainly won’t bring the children, if that’s what some of you are advocating.

We’d march to make a statement. We’d march to show them numbers of us who want REAL change. We’d march to scare the boops out of our elected officials and get them to listen to us. We’d march to unite. We’d march to show the rest of America that there is a cause here and it is THEIR cause, too.

But I don’t like what some are implying...I understand that there’s a lot of anger. But someone needs lead the charge to channel it in a law-abiding and productive manner.

719 posted on 07/19/2009 6:44:39 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (doubleplusungood)
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To: MadPenguin

“Obama is only part of the problem. As I stated previously, the federal government is out of control. They have usurped states’ rights by completely ignoring the 10th amendment.”

My point remains that the root of the problem is that people have acceded to it.

“The federal government was intended to have limited and well defined powers and responsibilities. They have instead grown into a monster which destroys everything/everyone who gets in its way. They show more concern for terrorists’ and illegals’ rights than they do for hard-working tax-paying citizens.”

If 100% of the hard-working tax-paying citizens refused to vote for ANY Democrat or ANY supporter of the Obama agenda, or ANY politician who voted for leviathan Federal government, heck if we could get 70% of them on your side ... you’d be in great shape. But you have this bizarre reality - millions of such people voted for Obama.

if people want to play the chumps, if they are indoctrinated with white liberal guilt to be a chump, they’ll vote like chumps.

As I said, there is no constitutional crisis. The ultimate failure is the failure of VOTERS to do the right thing and vote for liberty. Educating fellow citizens to even understand and acknowledge your viewpoint is the first necessary step. otherwise you are going out on a limb and trying to cut it off.

720 posted on 07/19/2009 6:45:25 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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