Posted on 07/12/2009 9:15:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
Well, how is Fred nowadays? What's he up to?
The coronation has already started.
Yep, I like Sarah, and I defend her too, but I don't assume perfect from anyone.
There is that batch of country-clubbers back east who seem set on Romney, too, and they are measuring him for the laurels...(God forbid).
What we really need is a list of the "Republican Pundits" who are attacking Palin.
I think Keyes has an unpopular but valid point, and not necessarily a killer for Palin (because I do not think the abortion issue will be won back in one fell swoop, although that would be great).
I agree that the unalienable Right to Life should be protected at all levels.
That said, I think any step toward the overturning of Roe is a step in the right direction.
All that was provoked by Alan Keyes’ low blow against Sarah Palin’s pro-life credentials, lol?
Sure there is. All that need be done is to define life as beginning at conception, or even the implantation of the embryo in the uterine wall, and that "little lump of tissue" is now defined as a human being instead.
Amendment V:...nor deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law...
What due process has been applied to the child in the womb?
None. It is a Fifth Amendment issue.
Why does Keyes pick fights with everyone?
After all, it is not pro-abortion to point out that the issue of abortion is to be settled at the state level, if the Constitution is anything to go by.
Then, at the state level you can make all your arguments, including the argument that principles of the Declaration of Independence are part of the Constitution, which Keyes (and some courts) have held. Personally, I think that there are some problems with that view, because the Declaration makes some broad and sweeping statements which are open to interpretations which (in the hands of the lawyers) are easily distorted. For example, “the pursuit of happiness” could mean anything, including that all enjoyable drugs should be legalized, or even subsidized for the “happiness” of the populace. This is not what the Declaration meant, but in the hands of the lawyers and the Courts, this is the sort of thing one might expect.
The advantages of fighting the abortion issue on the state level is that it might educate the public, and it would prevent anyone from saying that abortion is a nationally guaranteed “right.” Liberals like to say that it is a “constitutional right,” although it is not in the Constitution, and the current policy is based on a fallacious Court opinion. The public never voted on this. At the state level, they could. It will not be an easy debate; but in the end, if we are to survive as a nation, our side can and will win on this issue.
We can win by working with each other and with allies of similar opinion. We lose if we keep dividing until we are down to Alan Keyes and a handful of his friends.
No, not Mr Keyes 'blow' against Mrs Palin. Simply the apparent rise of a messiah in our ranks as well. I guess escalation does happen ...one side gets a messiah, and the other has to get one. I believe Mrs Palin is an effective and efficient leader who doesn't need me blaring the trumpet for her to succeed.
No flames here. I like what I have seen from Mrs. Palin, with only minor exception, and have high hopes for her to help restore the Republic, even as POTUS. However, I do not worship her, nor anyone else save God.
I found her to be a breath of fresh air in a cloying atmosphere of political convergence.
Dr. Keyes' point is, imho a valid one, and one we all need to address sans personality.
Does the Fifth and/or Fourteenth Amendments confer on the developing child in the womb the Federally protections of life itself?
Should the definition of life be reserved unto the states--Will they decide life 'ends' at 60, 70, 80, 90 years old if they can 'decide' when it begins?
Or will the decision be made medically and scientifically by the rare few doctors who do not either have strong religious beliefs or a profit motive to sway their opinions?
There are a multitude of questions on the legal practicality of defending what we know to be morally right, but I think if we look to intent, this (like other issues) would have been accepted without question in the Founders' day as self-evident.
An innocent persons' life did fall within the venue of the Constitution as amended, and it is with certitude (under the Fifth Amendment) that someone not even accused of a crime would also be afforded the protection of not being deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, especially with the presumption of innocence.
If this protection, (via the 14th Amendment) is to be afforded to all persons, then the only question to be resolved is whether the developing child in the womb is, in fact, a person.
Define that 'lump of tissue' thus and the matter is resolved.
It hit me this morning walking the dog.....something everyone had missed, the pondits, TV clowns, writers, et al: America Wants Sarah to be President. Period.
We don’t care what her background is, what her experiecne is, where she’s from what she wears, who backs her, etc. We want her to be our President and that’s all that matters....
I mean, look what we have now: Barney Frank, Al Franken, the Bomb....where is the criteria there? HOW could she be any worse than them......She is more honest than any of these clowns, has more administrative experience than the Bomb, has more proven moral intigrity that any 20 congress critters or Senators already demonstrated by her actions to date.....
She has tougher skin than any other elected offical and they have NEVER had to go through what she has had to go through, and she isn’t even President yet....
Quitter????? You mean by not milking one job to run for another, (Biden, Bomba, Hilterly, etc, etc, etc) she is a quitter.....don’t make me laugh....
And if she stayed up nights and worked around the clock she couldn’t be worse than those mentioned above, not even if she tried.....
So I say to the Andrea Mitchell Greenspans and the other hosts of fraud, and especially our good friends at the View, (worthless creitians whose opinion is worth less than toilet paper, which after all does serve a purpose) take a trip, get out, we don’t care what you think or say:
America has decided to give Sarah a chance to see what she can do, and that’s all you other clowns need to know.
:)
Keyes, like you, is a two-faced, duplicitous, scamming punk.
That was my very straightforward reply. Alan Keyes is making demands of Sarah Palin that he, himself cannot fulfill.
Yes, posting your candidates articles here attacking his competition and trying to conceal from freepers that you are the man's party chairman is despicable, we would never let Howard Dean get away that, it sure tells you what Alan Keyes is like in day to day operation when his own party chairman plays this embarrassing game.
Many people do not comprehend the role of the federal government and its power. Quite understandable, because that role has been horribly distorted in the last 50 years.
The question here is not does Palin support the right to life absolutely (what a silly question! she was called upon to act on it herself, and she acted in absolute accordance with her stated beliefs). The question is, how best to untangle the mess that has been made of abortion law in this country.
While we'd all like to just make abortion illegal in one fell swoop, it's not that simple. As C.S. Lewis said (in another context, in the preface to The Great Divorce, quoting Milton's Comus), it must be done 'with backward mutterings of dissevering power'.
Reasonable minds can differ on how to undo it, but one way is to reverse Roe v. Wade and thus return the issue to the states. Which, if you believe in the 9th and 10th amendments, is a perfectly reasonable way to proceed.
Keyes has no business criticizing this approach. It's clearly valid and has the proper goal in mind.
Do I doubt that she is capable to be president ...yes, more than anyone I can think of right now. Do I doubt her integrity ...not one bit, and I admire someone who will look you square in the eye and say the darn truth for a change!
However, we are becoming like some of those people on DU who will swarm over anyone saying anything negative about Hugo Chavez. Where someone's personality eclipses other issues at hand.
Great comment. I've been saying this for awhile now. The Palin worship and attacks against posters who voice an honest opinion about here are troubling.
As we've seen by Roe-v-Wade, an edict from on high doesn't solve the problem; it only makes it worse. This has to come from the citizens up, not the government down.
Best post on the thread.
I agree.
Also, why must we use only ONE strategy?
The “No Exceptions, No Compromise” crowd give us:
NO PROGRESS!
There is no reason why the States can not handle this matter, and every state that outlaws or severely restricts abortion will cut funding for the radical left.
Abortion is a cash cow for the left.
I say try any and ALL strategies to shut that Cash Cow down.
I listen and hear and understand. Mama taught me that if I didn’t do the thing that’s being griped *about,* I’m not the one being griped *at.* Good lesson.
To paraphrase, “Wise is as wise does.”
In this article, Dr. Keyes once again belittles his audience: “Unfortunately, when she proves inadequate to the task, human vanity will lead many to doubt the viability of the moral cause, rather than their own lack of discernment about the flaws in her public policy stances on the key moral issues.”
First, there was no need to speculate - it would have been better to “simply say nothing.” There was certainly no need to go to such lengths to prove that the Governor is flawed and not “adequate to the task.” Especially with so many “I’s” in the essay.
Remember that I voted for Dr. Keyes in the Texas primary and that he has been one of my own hopes as a prolife advocate and Constitutional leader. Unfortunately, as he proved after the Republican primaries and at the various third party conventions last year, his own flaw is his negative focus and lectures which drives away his would be allies.
God bless you and Dr. Keyes.
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