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The Pope's Stand in Obama's Notre Dame Controversy (Vatical Silent)
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| 16 May 09
| Amy Sullivan
Posted on 05/17/2009 12:03:41 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot; big'ol_freeper
Where is the Vatican on this as Obama gets an honorary degree? Why didn't they tell Notre Dame to disinvite Obama? Where is their statement as Catholic students are arrested for opposing Obama? I hate Time magazine too, but they are correct on this story. There is not Vatican opposition to what happened at Notre Dame this weekend.
Archbishop Burke IS speaking for the Vatican, EVERYTHING he says in his position as Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura is an official statement from the Vatican and is done with the Holy Father's approval.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:26:25 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: SkyPilot; livius
IF it is even possible, it will take Catholics such as yourselves to turn the effect of this around.
You are on a sand strewn place of combat, within the arenas again, remember the lions and those that held onto their beliefs.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:29:36 PM PDT
by
Gator113
(Weak-coward-racist-white hating-lying-traitor= Surrender Monkey in Chief-B. Hussein Obama...)
To: SkyPilot
I applaud the sincere Catholics who have taken a courageous stand to oppose abortion, and Obama. It is shameful the Pope has not supported them publicly, made a statement, or even attempted to have a representative from the Vatican voice support.
If the Vatican would denounce the Democrats and Liberals for what they are - evil; then those faithless and godless people who still wish to call themselves Christians or Catholics (and yet vote for Democrats by the millions) would not be able to wear their fig leafs anymore.
Being a Democrat is part of the American Catholic identity (like it is for Jews, Hispanics, Blacks, and used to be for white Southerners). So in order to be "good Catholics" too many still vote Democrat even when the party advocates diametrically opposed policies.
This "Solid South" strategy is how the Democrats have survived since the Civil War. They've merely changed their solid ethnic base.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:29:36 PM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
(Haqrev 'et-matteh Levi veha`amadta 'oto lifney 'Aharon HaKohen; vesheretu 'oto.)
To: Carry_Okie
The Catholic Church has systematically conflated tax-funded social welfare with "charity," arising out of a tragically-confused understanding of the Tenth Commandment. It is the nexus of "liberation theology." I agree. Many priests get away with preaching "Social Justice" in homilies, and never, ever deal with Biblical truths concerning covetousness, homosexuality, or God's own words about infants in the womb (Psalm 139).
Then, we have this:
Pope to Israel: Give your land to the Arabs
I heard on the news that 67% of US Catholics are Obama supporters.
If true, there is little hope for those people.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:29:52 PM PDT
by
SkyPilot
To: SkyPilot; big'ol_freeper
You act surprised that TIME, UPI and the rest of the media is spinning this to fulfill their agenda.
Do they acknowledge ANYWHERE in their stories how many bishops have condemned Notre Dame? Do they acknowledge what Archbishop Burke said. And as far as Archbishop Burke’s statement being over a week ago, that DOES NOT MATTER, the Holy See has spoken there is no need to repeat their objections.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:30:01 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: South40; SkyPilot; Ethan Clive Osgoode
Catholics have two choices; they can put ZERO in the offering from now on to protest the churchs silence. Or, they can continue to support a church who remains silent in the face of such atrocities.I'm going to get creamed for this, but I'll say it again because I absolutely believe it:
The acceptance of evolution is the root of all the modern liberalism and confusion in the Catholic Church.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:31:57 PM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
(Haqrev 'et-matteh Levi veha`amadta 'oto lifney 'Aharon HaKohen; vesheretu 'oto.)
To: SkyPilot
Support of Israel is not, unfortunately, a traditional conservative Catholic theological position. Fundamentalist Protestantism is very different from traditional, historical chr*stianity on this issue (and good for them!).
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:36:24 PM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
(Haqrev 'et-matteh Levi veha`amadta 'oto lifney 'Aharon HaKohen; vesheretu 'oto.)
To: Gator113
The pope has now made it perfectly clear that his standing with world leaders is far more umportant (and more immediate) than his standing with God.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:38:58 PM PDT
by
MrEdd
(Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
To: SkyPilot; Gator113
If the Vatican would denounce the Democrats and Liberals for what they are - evil; then those faithless and godless people who still wish to call themselves Christians or Catholics (and yet vote for Democrats by the millions) would not be able to wear their fig leafs anymore. It HAS been said, but like everything else the leftist media IGNORES it:
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:39:12 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
It HAS been said, but like everything else the leftist media IGNORES it:As do the Catholic-hating bigots.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:40:25 PM PDT
by
big'ol_freeper
([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
To: SkyPilot
There were Jewish people who asked where the Pope was during the holocaust.
There are Christians now asking where the Pope is during the takeover of Notre Dame.
Well, the Pope was just in Israel telling those folks to split Israel.....so why is anybody waiting for the Pope to come to the rescue of a Catholic college. It’s already been split. Job Done!
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:41:27 PM PDT
by
blueyon
(It is worth taking a stand even if you are standing alone!)
To: big'ol_freeper
There is not Vatican opposition to what happened at Notre Dame this weekend. And indeed you are wrong.
Link Please.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:41:42 PM PDT
by
MrEdd
(Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
To: Zionist Conspirator
Being a Democrat is part of the American Catholic identity (like it is for Jews, Hispanics, Blacks, and used to be for white Southerners). So in order to be "good Catholics" too many still vote Democrat even when the party advocates diametrically opposed policies. Members of my own family (father, aunt, cousins, etc) are this way. Irish heritage, ex-blue collar, and think the Kennedy family is just terrific.
If you sit down with them and talk politics, they will tell you how they were would "never" support homosexual "marriage", speech codes, and groups like Code Pink. They claim they are against affirmative action. When you point out that these are all now mainstream Democrat positions, they get angry and start to throw out MSM talking points against anything Conservative or Republican.
Many Jews I know won't vote for Republicans because of their antipathy for evangelical Christianity (and they associate all Republicans with evangelicals).
I think Satan is having a field day.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:41:45 PM PDT
by
SkyPilot
To: big'ol_freeper
They repeat the same lies so many times that they start to believe them.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:42:24 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: Zionist Conspirator
Being a Democrat is part of the American Catholic identity...Wielding that broad brush must give you tremendously strong wrists.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:42:40 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
To: SkyPilot
I'm disappointed in the pope not speaking out. Achbp Burke isn't high enough.
Catholics who really care are in the minority now. Jesus did speak about a "little flock".
So take heart, try to do the best with where you are, and know that more persecution lies ahead.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:43:21 PM PDT
by
Aliska
To: MrEdd
Man some folks are F-ing thick.
#8 and #15
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:44:05 PM PDT
by
big'ol_freeper
([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
To: wagglebee
I confess I didn't know about Burke's statement last week, but I am glad he made it.
The Vatican, however, is still mum today, and was mum this weekend vis a vis Obama.
If there is a press release from them regarding anything on this that is not over a week old, please publish the link.
Thanks.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:45:04 PM PDT
by
SkyPilot
To: Petronski; SkyPilot
Being a Democrat is part of the American Catholic identity...
Wielding that broad brush must give you tremendously strong wrists.
Hey, I don't like it, but it is historically true.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:46:08 PM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
(Haqrev 'et-matteh Levi veha`amadta 'oto lifney 'Aharon HaKohen; vesheretu 'oto.)
To: Petronski; Zionist Conspirator
Aside from African Americans, the most solid voting bloc the Democrats have is the Jewish vote and this has been the case for nearly a century.
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posted on
05/17/2009 12:46:27 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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