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To: slowhandluke
There are preconditions to democracy, and one of the is not having a majority of the population believing in the Caliphate as the correct way to govern.

Go study what we did in Japan after WWII. We were fighting people willing to kill themselves for their emperor.....who was believed to be a god and we were still able to create a thriving democracy and capitalistic society.

9 posted on 05/16/2009 5:50:11 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Japan was a single island. We were able to defeat them all. I don't think we are about to do the same for all 57 Islamic countries.

And I don't think the Japanese were as rooted in that 'God Emperor' thing as you do. According to Paul Johnson's history of the 20th Centure, "Modern Times", Japan was a pretty screwed up country with lots of warring factions. Towards the end of the war, as it was clear they were going to lose, some of those factions were willing to kill the Emperor they worshipped, in order to continue the war.

Shintoism in the 1930s was a fairly recent revival of older forms, much like the German Nazis bought into the Wagnerian romantic view of Teutonic history. Likewise, Bushido was an exaggerated bit of romance about the Samurai. Japan was a civlized country, gone temporarily nuts. They had already started assimilating many western ideas before WWII. They'd just not got the job fully done before things blew up. The Japanese might revere tradition, but they don't have a rule about never learning anything new.

The Islamic world has a 1300 year, unbroken history of belief in rule by, for and of the Muslims, and via a single strong person in the Caliph. There's no history of the Islamic world assimilating much from the west except for military arms, and methods of repression and various luxury items. They have freely borrowed from such Western authors as Marx and Hitler for ideas about how to be more effective at staying in power, but that is just more of the same thing they'd have done anyway.

There's just one way for this to work out your way. You are going to have to go the Ann Coulter route on 1 billion people. Conversion to an alternate belief system would be required, as anybody who follows the Koran knows democracy to be simply un-Islamic. The logic of the Koran is simply incompatible with democracy as the West understands it.

Now if it was the full-out Coulter approach you were considering, I apologize for not understanding.

10 posted on 05/16/2009 10:08:13 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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