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STEYN: Is conservatism over?
Washington Times ^ | May 11, 2009 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 05/11/2009 3:33:27 AM PDT by Scanian

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To: Scanian

No, but Republicanism may be.


21 posted on 05/11/2009 6:13:55 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Aquabird

— Obama won mostly due to the woman’s vote. A female presidential candidate would be extremely difficult to defeat.—

If that were the case, we’d be complaing about President (Hillary Rodham) Clinton right now. As for Palin, she says a lot of good things, but, in my humble opinion, she lacks the hard to define “gravitas” that would enable her to be propelled into the FDR/Reagan political apex.


22 posted on 05/11/2009 6:43:15 AM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: seatrout
"...but, in my humble opinion, she lacks the hard to define “gravitas..."

In this day and age, gravitas is a pure media construct. Obama was perhaps the least substantive presidential candidate in American history.

23 posted on 05/11/2009 6:51:16 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Fairly simple. The UN and coalition war aim was to drive Saddam out of Kuwait. Had Saddam been dethroned, we would have had something similar to the insurgency of 2005 to 2007, just 15 years earlier.”

I do not agree.
We were already into Iraq and on the way to Baghdad, smashing his army.
We could have knocked him out as easy as swatting a fly, and in the process, avoided the WMD debacle, as well as the cost in men and money in starting a whole new war.

It would have been so much easier to clean up the whole mess by finishing the FIRST war.


24 posted on 05/11/2009 6:58:27 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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You are looking at it from a purely military standpoint. I agree with you as far as that goes.

What you propose is that we should have violated our commitments to the other coalition partners and changed objectives in mid-stride. In particular, the Arab members of the coalition would be understandably concerned if an outsider suddenly decides he has the right to change Arab regimes at a whim.

The big question is what happens after Saddam’s army is destroyed and he is dethroned.

Did we want to occupy Iraq at the time? No.

If we destroy a government, are we responsible to do something to handle the situation we created? Yes. I believe this is actually part of international law. The winning party is responsible for maintaining order until a replacement government can be stood up.

IOW, the issue was not whether we could overthrow the Iraqi regime, it’s what comes next.


25 posted on 05/11/2009 7:05:09 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Did we want to occupy Iraq at the time? No.”

Do we want to occupy Iraq now? NO.

And where are we now???? hmmm.
Do you really think that NOW is better then in GW 1?
We smashed their army and will to fight as we routed them.

In GW 1, we did not just run Iraq out of Kuwait.
We went well INTO Iraq.
We should not have stopped just short of Baghdad.

We brought all the hardware and troops home after GW1, only to start it all over again, after Saddam had rebuilt everything.

As far as the USELESS NATIONS, to hell with what they thought then, or now.


26 posted on 05/11/2009 7:38:56 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Zero was a perfect example of not having gravitas, but being able to play it on TV. Then again, I’m sure a lot of Americans actually believed that Vince Edwards was a brain surgeon and Raymond Burr was a laywer (and I am really dating myself here!).


27 posted on 05/11/2009 7:41:29 AM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: Scanian

Conservatism is in death throes since the neoconservatives possessed Bush’s mind. It won’t recover until the neocon globalists are exorcised.


28 posted on 05/11/2009 7:48:06 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: seatrout

You actually think Steyn is making a real call for Powell (or anyone) to start a third party in this article? Please tell me you’re not that irony/sarcasm impaired?!?!


29 posted on 05/11/2009 7:49:45 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Scanian

bump to read later


30 posted on 05/11/2009 7:55:12 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first priority is restoring the acceptance of life as a gift from God. " + Benedict XVI)
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To: safeasthebanks
I know full well that "Frodo" was being a wiseass engaging in sarcasm. I just chose to ignore it.
31 posted on 05/11/2009 9:32:51 AM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: seatrout

See ya and I wouldn’t wanna be ya, loser!


32 posted on 07/04/2009 7:35:08 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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