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ANOTHER UNINFORMED FAIRTAX CRITIC
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| May 6, 2009
| Neal Boortz
Posted on 05/06/2009 11:57:23 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: CSM
actually,this raises a point on ‘gay marriages”...the whole hoopala over gay marriages would end tomorrow if “singles’ could bequeath their Soc Sec benefits and insurance to another chosen adult; the “marriage tax benefits “ were eliminated and the end of life decisions could be given to another chosen adult.
as a single person, I would welcome such tax changes to make the tax situation more fair for ALL singles....another reason for the Fair Tax.
To: Recovering Ex-hippie
More good points. Thanks.
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posted on
05/07/2009 12:48:08 PM PDT
by
CSM
(Smokers, the most patriotic of Americans!)
To: rideharddiefast
I may not know everything there is to know about the so called fair tax, but if somebody who loves raising taxes as much as the huckster likes it I know I am against it.Looks like you don't know much about Huckabee's record on taxes either.
According to the Tax Foundation, the state and local tax burden on the average Arkansan increased from 10.1 per cent to 11.3 per cent under Huckabee in 11 years.
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posted on
05/07/2009 12:53:34 PM PDT
by
Bigun
("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
To: Filo
Naysayers railing against the FairTax become, ipso facto, defenders of the INCOME TAX system. Prof. Larry Kotlikoff believes that the current tax system IS bringing the country to nothing less than an "
economic meltdown" by virtue of the invisibility of actual taxes paid. If Americans do not understand the true cost of their government, they're unlikely to hold Congress accountable - thus the enabling mechanism to continued profligate spending.
Even with the foregoing notwithstanding, do FairTax naysayers really believe:
Workers love having their pay confiscated, hourly, through gov't withholding and don't mind getting their money back by involuntary servitude - to the tune of 50 hours/year (on average) - preparing an annual tax return?
That certifying the number of persons in your family (annually, and, ancillarily, upon change in household) is an abrogation of our freedom - more intrusive and complex than filing a tax return every year subject to threats and intimidation by theIRS.
It's better to have theIRS fishing through citizens' income transactions (complete with audits, interest, penalties, and threats against individuals, families, businesses as well as confiscation of their homes, property, and bank accounts) rather than - Gawd forbid - issuing a gov't check to an individual (while pretending that Social Security payments disbursement logistics really can't work for "prebates")?
That an monthly advance tax rebate is the same thing as "being on the dole" ? (Only lobbyists, special interests, and business deserve "handouts" ? - the politician gets a payoff from a lobbyist, the lobbyist gets a payoff from its client, and the citizen gets higher taxes and/or prices that pay for it all.)
"Hidden taxes" in higher prices are fine because they're not "taxes," per se? (Hey, forget that families are really paying business's costs for complying with a business income tax code - staff, consultants, submittals, etc.)
It's far better to have a gargantuan tax collection "service" in Washington, than to have 50 decentralized, smaller, leaner state collection agencies collecting taxes from fewer sources?
That the work by notable economists (paid tens of millions of $'s by Americans for Fair Taxation) doesn't carry weight because it was paid for by private funds instead of some gov't / quasi-gov't enterprise?
That FairTax's backing by
many economists doesn't carry any weight because (the Brookings') Wm Gale's testimony before the President's Commission on Tax Reform is - somehow - above all that?!
(NOTE: The Commission/Gale made up their own "consumption tax" requirements, as if that constituted a legitimate rebuke of the FairTax plan. Dr. Kotlikoff has requested - but never received - Gale's technical "modus operandi" which would definitively explain just how Gale's conclusions can be reconciled with Kotlikoff's well-documented
technical work.
Let us work, together, to
end the enslavement of the Tax Code and to restore Liberty to America's working families.
America's working families are paid because the companies they work for sell goods and services.
Let's pay for government the way America's families are paid - when something is sold.
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posted on
05/07/2009 1:18:59 PM PDT
by
Bigun
("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
To: Bigun
Naysayers railing against the FairTax become, ipso facto, defenders of the INCOME TAX system.
Incorrect.
It's not nearly an either-or proposition and your assertion represents a false conundrum.
The rest of your red herrings and straw men aren't worth responding to - not because they aren't good questions but because they are not germane to the glaring flaws in the FairTax.
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posted on
05/07/2009 2:10:44 PM PDT
by
Filo
(Darwin was right!)
To: Filo
You forgot “incessantly demeaning, derogatory, insulting, defamatory and personally offensive remarks tendered in defense of a fallacy”
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posted on
05/07/2009 2:30:24 PM PDT
by
xcamel
(The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
To: Turret Gunner A20
We HAVE discussed, gone round and round, point and counter point and no one changed their positions. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results and all....
To: Bigun
According to the Tax Foundation, the state and local tax burden on the average Arkansan increased from 10.1 per cent to 11.3 per cent under Huckabee in 11 years.
That was the increase ABOVE and beyond the increases of the democrats who preceded him.
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posted on
05/07/2009 4:59:48 PM PDT
by
John D
To: Filo
Let's here your proposal.
Do you have a bill before congress that will get it done?
Does it retain the IRS?
Is it an income tax in any form?
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posted on
05/08/2009 5:05:23 AM PDT
by
Bigun
("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
To: John D
That was the increase ABOVE and beyond the increases of the democrats who preceded him.And most of it forced by the courts.
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posted on
05/08/2009 5:07:10 AM PDT
by
Bigun
("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
To: taxcontrol
We HAVE discussed, gone round and round, point and counter point and no one changed their positions. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results and all.... Then why keep on wasting that bandwidth you're so concerned about -- and why keep boring people with your same old same old?
Get a life. as the saying goes.
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posted on
05/08/2009 6:44:19 AM PDT
by
Turret Gunner A20
(Socialism is a good idea until you run out of other peopleÂ’s money. Margaret Thatcher)
To: xcamel
... incessantly demeaning, derogatory, insulting, defamatory and personally offensive remarks tendered in defense of a fallacy
Good boy. Excellent self-appraisl. They say that confession is good for the soul. Keep it up.
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posted on
05/08/2009 6:49:21 AM PDT
by
Turret Gunner A20
(Socialism is a good idea until you run out of other peopleÂ’s money. Margaret Thatcher)
To: Turret Gunner A20
Well the reason I posted was to address an audience OTHER THAN those who have made up their minds on the issue. I have not intention of wasting either their time or Freerepublic bandwidth trying to argue with with people.
My comments were designed to inform others that there are alternatives to the “Fair Tax” and if they were so motivated, could then look up for themselves the different tax collection systems available. If on the other hand, they would not so inclined, my comments would not be overbearing or intrusive.
If you wish to argue with someone - fine. It's just not going to be me because we have done that before.
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To: xcamel
All that matters is the flamethrower attitude that NB came out with toward Dave without having all the facts... which is all too typical of fairtaxers. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Look who's talking about somebody not having all the facts. Hell, you never had a fact in your entire miserable life.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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posted on
05/08/2009 7:04:47 AM PDT
by
Turret Gunner A20
(Socialism is a good idea until you run out of other peopleÂ’s money. Margaret Thatcher)
To: taxcontrol
Well, if you must continue lying, I guess tht’s up to you. Have fun.
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posted on
05/08/2009 7:24:16 AM PDT
by
Turret Gunner A20
(Socialism is a good idea until you run out of other peopleÂ’s money. Margaret Thatcher)
To: Bigun
Let's here your proposal.
Do you have a bill before congress that will get it done?
Does it retain the IRS?
Is it an income tax in any form?
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
I've previously proposed either a flat tax (something on the order of 8-9%) with everyone paying and with a mandated biannual reduction as socialist programs (medicare, medicaid, welfare, social security) are phased out.
I would also support the consumption tax/FairTax if the rate were substantially reduced, if the prebate were eliminated entirely and if there was a credit for the double-taxation on savings. Again, I would support a somewhat higher initial rate with gradual, mandatory reductions as unconstitutional programs are phased out.
Both proposals are more workable than the current abomination but no, none are before Congress yet. Nobody in Washington has the stones to do what needs to be done.
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posted on
05/08/2009 7:25:37 AM PDT
by
Filo
(Darwin was right!)
To: xcamel
pi$$ off, moron. OH, MY GOODNESS!!!! A potty-mouthed name-caller.
Do you talk to your Mommy with that potty mouth??? FOR SHAME!!!!
And all this time I thought you were only an ignornt liar and were pure and above all that sort of thing.
My mistake.
To: rideharddiefast
Huckster was a flat taxer before he understood that the FairTax would protect Churches from being attacked by the IRS over political speech.
There are far more refined, intelligent and patriotic Americans behind the FairTax than Mike Huckabee. He only served to bring it to the national stage but it was there long before he embraced it.
HR 25 is a truly inspired piece of legislation. To condemn it because one politician you don’t like is for it, is to condemn the founding of the United States because some prominent colonialist was opposed to violence against the Crown.
My advice is that if you want to ‘get it’, to under stand the slam-dunk superiority of the FairTax tax reform over any other existing or possible, is to set aside two hours every night for a month and commit to its study. Don’t draw any conclusions until you understand it very well because there is a concerted organized campaign to bash it and spread disinformation about it.
Start your study here:
http://www.fairtax.org
Ask me questions if you need. I will give you facts, history and context.
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posted on
05/08/2009 8:05:07 AM PDT
by
Hostage
To: Filo
I've previously proposed either a flat tax (something on the order of 8-9%) with everyone paying...If you are talking about an income tax here count me out! The income tax has GOT to go! It taxes the wrong end of the spectrum and is too easily manipulated to promote class warfare among other things!
I would also support the consumption tax/FairTax if the rate were substantially reduced, if the prebate were eliminated entirely and if there was a credit for the double-taxation on savings. Again, I would support a somewhat higher initial rate with gradual, mandatory reductions as unconstitutional programs are phased out.
Seems as though you want to do it all in one feld swoop. It ain't going to happen that way my friend! It took a LONG time for us to get were we are and it's going to take some time to get us back where we belong and the FairTax proposal is the best idea out there to get us started down that road!
...none are before Congress yet.
That's what I thought!
Nobody in Washington has the stones to do what needs to be done.
What's holding YOU back from running! If ever there was a time for that it is now given the current mood of the country!
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posted on
05/08/2009 1:41:37 PM PDT
by
Bigun
("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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