Posted on 03/17/2009 11:50:28 AM PDT by AndrewWalden
A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama’s upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama’s numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.
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I placed to your observation two different ways Hawaii could issue a birth certificate stating the place of birth was Hawaii because you said nowhere does it state that.
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
Who is Eligible to Apply for the Issuance of a Late Birth Certificate in Lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth?The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.
broward chad; The answer is "nowhere." You can speculate and theorize that they did, but you can't state it as a fact , since no one -- including the attorneys filing these lawsuits -- has come up with any evidence that Hawaii changed the place of birth on any such certificate.
Then I posted it would be achieved by obama's mother placing fraudulent information.
It would be fraudulent information given in order to obtain that type of BC.
broward chad; OK, now you're arguing fraudulence, but before you were citing the statute. Either way, there has to be evidence. Have you seen any evidence?
I cited a statute that a Hawaii birth certificate could be applied for even if born elsewhere that you disputed. There is no evidence to the contrary and obama has been requested in many lawsuits to show documents we all have to show when requested by the government. obama is not above federal requirements.
What exactly do you think applying for certificate of birth in Hawaii was about? A form was filled out by a parent with details.
You think people went in to get a birth certificate in Hawaii and place another country or state for place of birth? That would not be a Hawaii Certificate of Birth and those statutes would never have been on record.
broward chad; I think they required a bit more than someone strolling into the DOH and filling out a form. Things like a doctor or midwife's affidavit, or at least some proof that the baby existed. But "Got baby? Here's a cert!" -- I don't think so.
You THINK? You posted more theory and supposition with no proof. In fact a form with information was all that was needed. There was very little corroboration in those days due to inability to obtain information like we can today.
Until obama shows his stuff, everything you are posting is speculation. So go ahead and continue on.
broward chad; No, unfortunately, it's the other way around. The courts don't operate on what could have happened, they need some assurance that these things -- such as casual registration of births without proof -- actually did happen, on a regular basis, at the time and place specified. No one has come up with anything that supports your theories.
No, unfortunately for you, none of courts for obama's lawsuits have ruled that obama even has a legitimate U.S birth certificate. And no one requested the plaintiff's prove obama could get a Hawaii BC and not be born in Hawaii. It's makes no sense to anyone but you since the statues are clearly there for that to happen.
When you are sued in a court of law, since when is showing a simple document not the way it works? No one needs to show documents ever again in a court of law? I bet the radical islamists will love you to tell them that one.
You have proof obama's mother registered obama before a year old? Let's see the evidence?
broward chad; Why do I need proof? You referred to that old statute, and I said I didn't think it was relevant. If you think it is, that's your prerogative.
Exactly, you don't want proof. You want speculation and you want a end to anyone seeking the truth. I thought truth was important to everyone. I see you have nothing to add but obama talking points that have no validity whatsoever.
The people asking do want facts and truth. If you are willing to take whatever obama hands you in the way of truth then maybe America is not for you. North Korea sounds more to your liking.
Obama must show the vault birth certificate and not the abbreviated version with few details. Perhaps obama was born in Hawaii and all he is hiding is different name. Because that in turn could get him disbarred. Whatever the reason we want to know. If it is proven to be nothing then we move on to get rid of obama in 2012.
I didn’t support Ron Paul, so I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m just letting you (and anyone else who bothers to read your steaming comments) that I know what you’re about.
I was born in Houston, Texas. I have seen a birth announcement in the Binghamton, NY papers - which happens to be where my Grandmother lived.
A newspaper announcement is, at best, circumstantial. Thay can and often are called in by relatives in celebration of a remote birth.
The word jugglery means that you are trying to make the assertion that people being concerned about 0bama’s eligibility are playing into the hands of a devious 0bama scheme designed to make conservatives (or Republicans, not sure which you mean) “look bad”.
It’s a stupid idea invented by people who don’t care about 0bama’s eligibility, for reasons known only to themselves.
There are mnay interesting things to be learned about 0bama from various documents, and since he has sanitized and/or hidden so many of them, there isn’t much to work with. Of course, if he were actually “transparent” as he promised, we’d all know his nationality and citizenship status.
The people who are gullible fools are the people who voted for him not knowing he was a marxist racist pro-terrorist hate America thug con artist.
The people who voted for him knowing he was all the above are worse than gullible.
There’s no proof he was born anywhere. We just know at some point in time (not sure which point) he was born somewhere. It’d be nice to find out.
Please supply a link with the proof of this allegation. This is the first time I have seen that these announcements were solely the provenance of the DOH, and could not be called in by relatives.
It certainly will be interesting.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
What does that have to do with his parents inability to renounce his US citizenship when he was under 18?
That above was placed on annenberg factcheck.org which has no proof whatsoever that obama is or ever was a U.S. citizen. They also have no proof he did not renounce his citizenship. Just words obama and axelturf handed them.
First prove obama was a citizen of the United States and not just a late or delayed certificate of birth which is not citizenship. You cannot renounce something you never had.
So the best thing is for obama to show that vault BC and prove to everyone they were wrong. Then you can come back in and tell us all you were right. Until then, you have nothing more than what obama wants you to have.
I am wondering why the author of this piece of “journalism” chose to post it AGAIN today... He must have some reason, since this was already posted months ago.
“give birth in a substandard third world hospital”???
Wow!Hard thing to give birth without a doctor an all! Moron!
He needed the exposure.
Let’s just be logical for a minute, Andrew. If you could produce a vault copy of your B.C. for $10 and be finished with the whole issue, why the h#ll would you pay more than $800,000 in legal fees and fight 10 different lawsuits to avoid producing said document? IF HE HAD IT, HE WOULD HAVE PRODUCED IT. ALL OTHER ANSWERS ARE EXCUSES.
“I know what you’re about.”
Lad, you don’t know squat !
A pleasant evening to you, nonetheless.
why the h#ll would you pay more than $800,000 in legal fees and fight 10 different lawsuits to avoid producing said document?
TO KEEP YOU BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE.
FOR INSTANCE I NOTE THAT THIS THREAD HAS 3 X THE ATTENTION THAT ANOTHER THREAD ON OBAMA’S SCHEME TO BILL VETS FOR THEIR COMBAT-RELATED MEDICAL CARE.
http://hawaiifreepress.com/Main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/523/Obama-to-bill-combat-wounded-for-medical-care.aspx
SCREWING VETS IS AN ISSUE WHICH CAN MOVE ELECTIONS. COLB IS NOT.
WHAT ARE YOU FOCUSED ON?
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.
There’s a problem with this statement, Andrew. Kapiolani Medical Center Hospital wasn’t there in 1961. It wasn’t completed until the early ‘70s. Prior to that Kapiolani was an out patient clinic for women and children.
MORE TROOTHER BS: READ, LEARN
http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/default.aspx
“CARING FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN FOR MORE THAN 100 YEARS.”
Please, get real. If O doesn't object to the release of certain info, his Justice Dept. isn't going to prosecute. So if the hospital, say, contacted the WH and asked for their approval before release of a short and simple statement indicating that their records show O was born there (if indeed he was) and going no further than that, why would anyone object and why wouldn't the hospital do that? It would seem as if such a course would be benign for all concerned. But yet they haven't, and additionally have never responded in the affirmative to other queries about his possible birth there. It's not that they have any fear about prosecution under HIPAA, it's much more likely that they have no record of his birth there!
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