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Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out
Soldier of Fortune ^ | 13 March, 2009 | Alan Korwin

Posted on 03/17/2009 6:42:32 AM PDT by marktwain

Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):

M1 Carbine,

Sturm Ruger Mini-14,

AR-15,

Bushmaster XM15,

Armalite M15,

AR-10,

Thompson 1927,

Thompson M1;

AK,

AKM,

AKS,

AK-47,

AK-74,

ARM,

MAK90,

NHM 90,

NHM 91,

SA 85,

SA 93,

VEPR;

Olympic Arms PCR;

AR70,

Calico Liberty ,

Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,

Fabrique National FN/FAL,

FN/LAR, or FNC,

Hi-Point20Carbine,

HK-91,

HK-93,

HK-94,

HK-PSG-1,

Thompson 1927 Commando,

Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;

Saiga,

SAR-8,

SAR-4800,

SKS with detachable magazine,

SLG 95,

SLR 95 or 96,

Steyr AU,

Tavor,

Uzi,

Galil and Uzi Sporter,

Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).

Pistols (or copies or duplicates):

Calico M-110,

MAC-10,

MAC-11, or MPA3,

Olympic Arms OA,

TEC-9,

TEC-DC9,

TEC-22 Scorpion,

or AB-10,

Uzi.

Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):

Armscor 30 BG,

SPAS 12 or LAW 12,

Striker 12,

Streetsweeper.

Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):

A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock,

(ii) a threaded barrel,

(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below),

(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.

Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles). A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:

(i) a second pistol grip,

(ii) a threaded barrel,

(iii) a barrel shroud or

(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and

(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

A semiautomatic shotgun with:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock,

(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),

(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and

(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.

Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.


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To: P8riot

Most single shot bolt action rifles are training rifles found a lot in .22 lr such as this Kimber model 82 you can buy from CMP:

http://www.thecmp.org/22targetsurplus.htm

Mostly I was just being facetious. I really don’t think that Obama is going after our guns right now. I can see an assault on our ammo such as high taxes and this current thing the Pentagon is doing by destroying military surplus brass. They can’t do away with CMP because it is now privately owned but this administration will be hostile to gun store owners, (think ATF) things like that.


141 posted on 03/17/2009 11:17:48 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: TexasRepublic
The government intends to do something VERY BAD to us, if they expect we would start shooting at them. The 2nd Amendment is the “canary in the mineshaft”.

That's the way it worked in 1775. "Taxation Without Representation" had been an issue for years. But the shooting didn't start until the Regulars were sent out to confiscate the arms of the people.

142 posted on 03/17/2009 11:18:42 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: GnL
The libs are trying to determine whether they will have a full scale revolution on their hands if they try to pass this crap. I think they should have this seed of fear in their minds all the time.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson

143 posted on 03/17/2009 11:21:29 AM PDT by 08bil98z24 (War on Drug supporters are enemies of the Constitution.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; 2nd Amendment

“Job Opening: Gun confiscation specialist for rural Alabama. Good pay, great benefits, high turnover rate.”

Must bring own body armor. High likelihood of being shot at.


Body bag and transportation to funeral parlor supplied by employer...

144 posted on 03/17/2009 11:25:36 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
"And Republicans are the undisputed masters of being suckers."

Actually, there's another name for what most Republicans have been lately (rhymes with wussies and 'meow' related). Sarah Palin excluded, of course!

145 posted on 03/17/2009 11:26:21 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: marktwain; Kibosher

bump


146 posted on 03/17/2009 11:29:35 AM PDT by panaxanax (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"How many Americans do 0bama's Masters want to murder?"

According to Bill Ayers, they're willing to settle for 25 million for a "good start".

147 posted on 03/17/2009 11:31:01 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

April 2010 will be too late.


148 posted on 03/17/2009 11:31:08 AM PDT by panaxanax (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.)
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To: ExtremeUnction
This list won’t pass.

Unless the RINOs do a 'reach across' in the spirit of "bipartisanship' and screw the people.

But they wouldn't do that. Right?

149 posted on 03/17/2009 11:31:17 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Joe Brower

Be Ever vigilant!


150 posted on 03/17/2009 11:32:28 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: marktwain

Isn’t that list from 2007?


151 posted on 03/17/2009 11:37:17 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: MrB
He had a beard.

If he was wearing a hat I sold mine to the same guy.

152 posted on 03/17/2009 11:51:16 AM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: marktwain
"there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event."

The Law of Unintended Consequences is likely to spawn a brand new sporting event that could cause expansion of the endanger species list.

153 posted on 03/17/2009 11:56:57 AM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar & Feathers, The New Look for Spring '09)
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To: Obadiah
You cannot be kinda of pregnant.

They try this and they'll discover if it's possible to be sorta dead.

154 posted on 03/17/2009 12:02:04 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Conservative4Life

ping


155 posted on 03/17/2009 12:02:57 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: El Gato

I’m guessing that they won’t consider “tyrant and boot-licking lackey hunting” a “sporting use”.


156 posted on 03/17/2009 12:05:16 PM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: LTCJ
Seed my post at #156.

Considering what you wrote, perhaps I was a bit hasty in my presumption. Or, maybe it all depends on who gets to define what the "sport" is.

157 posted on 03/17/2009 12:16:13 PM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: aragorn

Argh. “Seed” should have “See”...


158 posted on 03/17/2009 12:17:40 PM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: marktwain

Obama will seek these 4 elements in a gun bill

1. An expanded HR 45, gun owner licensing. All gun owners will have to have these licenses, even owners of facilimie weapons (AKA Airsoft and BB). Licenses will only be granted if the records of the applicant are clean (This includes misdemeanors from decades ago). Licensees will be required to hold $1 million in liability insurance. Possession of otherwise permitted weapons (See #3) without license is a felony.

2. Ammunition accountability... All ammo will be required to be microstamped and will be taxed $1/round. All non stamped ammo will be required to be turned in or thrown away. Possession of non-marked ammo is a felony. This part of the act also bans “Cop Killer” bullets.

3. Expanded “Assault Weapons” ban— This includes most all semiauto rifles, anything that can be “Bump Fired”, Semiauto handguns, and Semi-auto shotguns. It also includes pump-action shotguns and “Sniper Rifles” AKA your deer rifle. The AWB will also require people with “Prebans” to register their guns as Machine Guns, and that the tax stamp will go up to $10,000 per weapon, or turn it in without compensation...

4. Expansion of the Lautenbach amendment: Removes “Domestic Violence” as disqualifier to gun ownership, inserts any misdemeanor as disqualifer... Anyone with a misdemeanor on their record will be prohibited from owning a firearm. This includes DUI and traffic offenses, and offenses decades ago.

Finally, this bill would rescind all valid CCW permits nationwide.


159 posted on 03/17/2009 12:21:07 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: JamesP81
In addition to the Marlin .45 Camp Carbine (which is getting increasingly harder to find), you could get one of these Mec Tech units. They attach to a 1911 frame, and since they do not contain the action are not required to be purchased through an FFL.

http://www.mechtechsys.com/1911.html


160 posted on 03/17/2009 12:21:28 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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