Ethanol Producers Press for Higher Limits(ethanol for 15% of motor fuel)

WP ^ | 03/06/09 | Steven Mufson

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Ethanol Producers Press for Higher Limits

By Steven Mufson

Washington Post Staff Writer

Friday, March 6, 2009; Page D01

The nation's ethanol producers are urging the Obama administration to raise the 10 percent limit on ethanol in motor fuel to 15 percent or more, a move they hope will create new demand at a time when many distilleries are idle.

The producers say higher ethanol blends would help create jobs and reduce petroleum imports. Moreover, without a change in the 10 percent limit, ethanol makers say it could be difficult to fulfill a congressional mandate for renewable fuel use and the makers of new forms of ethanol, which rely on raw materials other than corn, could be locked out of the fuel market.

"This is about jobs, energy security for America, improving the environment and meeting our legal responsibilities under the 2007 energy bill," said retired Gen. Wesley Clark, co-chairman of a group of ethanol firms called Growth Energy.

Growth Energy plans to formally request a waiver today from the Environmental Protection Agency to raise the ethanol content of motor fuel to 15 percent.

[TigerLikesRooster]

Ping!

[Eye of Unk]

Bad idea, too much ethanol will seriously harm older engines.

Boaters with older fiberglass fuel tanks know this all too well.

And its almost impossible to store a high ethanol fuel unless its in an air tight storage device, it naturally draws moisture, and adding chemicals like Stabil won’t work.

You buy a high ethanol fuel you must use it within a month unless you can keep moisture away from it.

[kcvl]

ethanol producers are putting other companies out of business.

We just had a chicken plant leave town because they are bankrupt. The downward spiral started when the ethanol producers started using feed for fuel and causing higher prices for feed for the growers.

[TigerLikesRooster]

Ethanol was a political gambit with which Dems cornered some reliable Midwest Republican states in the last presidential election. Along with the auto bailout.

[chemicalman]

Gas station isn't giving me a 15% discount for buying their tainted gasoline.
Get a diesel.

[A Navy Vet]

""This is about jobs, energy security for America, improving the environment and meeting our legal responsibilities under the 2007 energy bill," said retired Gen. Wesley Clark, co-chairman of a group of ethanol firms called Growth Energy."

Huh. Why is it a lowly E-6 Navy Veteran can see the idiocy of ethanol being a stupid idea over a General? ALL the research has shown that ethanol takes more energy to produce it than we get back. Yes, there are new technologies that can produce ethanol from other cellulose products, but it is still a non-viable product, and will be so for many years.

Sheesh, what a putz Wesley Clark is. Got a vested interest there do you, Wesley?

[A Navy Vet]

"We just had a chicken plant leave town because they are bankrupt. The downward spiral started when the ethanol producers started using feed for fuel and causing higher prices for feed for the growers."

You're not the only one.

[D-fendr]

Makes as much sense as drinking gasoline.

[Plumberman27]

Once again we see liberal causes gone astray. Ethanol has created more pollution than ever in the Gulf of Mexico. I thought the environmentalists were worried about pollution and ethenol is a major pollution source for the gulf. Plus, the high costs have made it impossible to feed “The Children”. I always hear it is for the children. Well the children in Africa are starving because of ethanol and that grain being used as a gasoline additive. Ethanol has caused more pollution and killed more children than the world will ever be allowed to know about. Meanwhile Al Gore keeps lining is pockets with money from his global warming scam. It is a shame America has been dumbed down to accept these kind of false polices and obvious criminals in and out of office.

[barb-tex]

Ethanol is a bad idea. Although corn is down a buck it is still too expensive to burn. If the engines were designed for pure ethanol it is not too bad a fuel. Blended fuel will only be a poor substitute which will only be used under duress of BHO’s brown shirted and Jackbooted Thugs.
barbra ann

[TigerLikesRooster]

You will see them(Obama, Al Gore et al) actively pushing for international carbon permit trade market even while the economy is getting deeper into a depression.

[TYVets]

They can't get their minds around two things, you

Drill for oil

Eat corn

[BuffaloJack]

Seems to me that listening to these crackpots contributed to grain shortages and higher prices for edible stuff.

[Leisler]

The more ethanol, the more gallons of gas you have to buy every year.

More gallons, more taxes.

Government loves taxes.

[LZ_Bayonet]

"Bad idea, too much ethanol will seriously harm older engines.",/i>

Yep, and rots/rusts the gas tank.

[RoadTest]

Corn = food

Petroleum = fuel

DUH!

Any questions?

[Vaduz]

Your spot on ethanol fuel is hell on the fuel system many new cars are going through fuel pumps at a high rate of speed the pro ethanol people say it’s only because people let their tanks get lower than 1/4 of a tank BS ethanol is crap.

[Eye of Unk]

Yes you cannot store any ethanol based gasoline, its possible to pump out any airborne moisture and store it but its been found that after a modest amount of time usually depending on the climate that the ethanol separates from the gasoline and changes to the point that it will not re-mix.

Forget about stockpiling it, it would be worse than dated ammo.

A person could possibly believe in a conspiracy theory about this, America has to buy it, has to use it or it will break down into a chemical that’s useless.

Worse than being hooked on cocaine.

[Red in Blue PA]

Let’s legislate something which gets poor MPG compred to regular gasoline. Great idea!/s