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The World-Wide Government Bubble (big picture)
Dagny D'Anconia ^ | 12 Feb 2009 | Dagny D'Anconia

Posted on 02/17/2009 8:58:56 AM PST by helpfulresearcher

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To: helpfulresearcher

Next time you post an article from that blog, would you ping me?

I find that to be one of the best written, clearest spoken, and most concisely stated summaries I’ve seen in some time.

Kudos.


21 posted on 02/17/2009 9:54:54 AM PST by Sundog (Atlas Shrugged needs to be required reading . . . Which character are you?)
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To: helpfulresearcher

Great article.


22 posted on 02/17/2009 9:55:26 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: MahatmaGandu

Valid point regarding the corrupt MSM.


23 posted on 02/17/2009 10:02:55 AM PST by Obadiah (Party - my house - on December 22, 2012!)
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To: Red6
Yes, that's a scary alternative as well, however, I think the scale of things right now do not portend this. Rather, and right now at least, it looks like the author of this article may be closer to the mark. You simply cannot pump trillions into the economy without some major, rather than passive, consequences.
24 posted on 02/17/2009 10:09:18 AM PST by Obadiah (Party - my house - on December 22, 2012!)
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To: Islander7

Sorry, but it looks like there were at least a few hundred people just read it who had not read it before. I did it for those people.

If a few hundred new people read it, and a few dozen saw it before and just declined to click on it, then isn’t it better to post it?


25 posted on 02/17/2009 10:13:40 AM PST by helpfulresearcher (Bipartisanship: The PC Term for Collaboration with the Enemy)
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To: helpfulresearcher

If you are pimping your blog for clicks, as many are doing, then that is not cool.

I read the article. It is very good info.


26 posted on 02/17/2009 10:18:27 AM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Sundog

I would be glad to. Does “ping” mean save your name and then make the comment to you? Or is there some automatic way to do it?


27 posted on 02/17/2009 10:19:19 AM PST by helpfulresearcher (Bipartisanship: The PC Term for Collaboration with the Enemy)
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To: Red6

You may be right, but consider the following:

Europe did not have the world’s most used reserve currency, and thus could not count on loans of such magnitude to inflate a big bubble. Britain did have the pound and got a little bubble going before Thatcher, but nothing on the scale of the US dollar today.

If a bubble can’t be inflated then there is muddling through malaise. The results are more extreme if a large bubble can be created.


28 posted on 02/17/2009 10:25:44 AM PST by helpfulresearcher (Bipartisanship: The PC Term for Collaboration with the Enemy)
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To: Islander7

The goal is not blog pimping. There are no ads at the blog so there is no profit in that.

I just thought it was important, that people would want to know the info, and that different people were likely to be reading today.


29 posted on 02/17/2009 10:29:15 AM PST by helpfulresearcher (Bipartisanship: The PC Term for Collaboration with the Enemy)
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To: helpfulresearcher

Great! You have my profound apology. Thanks for the information.


30 posted on 02/17/2009 10:38:57 AM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: MahatmaGandu
You know, I find it ironic how so many FReepers bitch and moan about the mainstream media yet unless a thread is started with an article from that very same mainstream media they bitch and moan some more. Myself, I WANT to see thoughts and opinions that are not being filtered by the people I came here to get away from.

LOL, I love it when conservatives act like a bunch of liberals in a shout down. LOL

31 posted on 02/17/2009 11:01:55 AM PST by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
No, what we have is government using this crisis to form a “national security force” to deal with the perceived violence that the media will soon report on.

Yes, I believe so, that is why the army wants to recruit illegals, finding someone that will shoot on order at the crowds.

32 posted on 02/17/2009 11:03:34 AM PST by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: helpfulresearcher

Ping just means let me know when it happens, put my moniker up in the ‘To:’ line and for the reply just enter ‘Ping’.

I used to save a text document for names, separated by semi colons, of people I wanted to ping on another thread.

I’ve not found an automatic way to do it.


33 posted on 02/17/2009 11:10:56 AM PST by Sundog (Atlas Shrugged needs to be required reading . . . Which character are you?)
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To: Obadiah

Harry S. Dent, Jr, in 1998 wrote “The Roaring 2000’s” and using spending by age groups and population by age groups said the colapse would happen in 2009. Also showed the same drops for the 1929, 1974 & partial 1990 drops.

Saw him on Fox Bussiness and due to his spending/age figures to lead to a DOW into the 6000’s and recovery not for many years.


34 posted on 02/17/2009 11:36:58 AM PST by DakoKid ( Every Dollar of Taxation is a Dollar of Lost Freedom)
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To: org.whodat
LOL, I love it when conservatives act like a bunch of liberals in a shout down. LOL

It is funny in an ironic sort of way. I agree.

35 posted on 02/17/2009 11:42:41 AM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The reason you got your butt handed to you on FR for suggestion possible collapse was GWB was in office, and there is a tendency to view info on a partisan bias. Thus FR thought you are a crazy Ron Paul supporter or worst a Dem troll. I think we all need to become political atheist and view info based on data and not what we want it to be. What makes this recession different is the US never entered one where 1 in 4 mortgages are negative, consumer is 14 trillion in debt, govt is in debt and economy with a 800 billion annual trade deficit. The key to get banks lending is to find a way for them to get the foreclosed prop off their books. Unfortunately we have approx 4.5 years worth of foreclosed prop and only 30 percent are listed by realtors while the rest are held back by the banks to prevent losses on their books if they sold them now. This means that the normal homeowner must compete against foreclosure prices and real estate prices will remain low or go lower, causing more prop values to drop below the owners’ mortgages which in turn encourage owners to abandon their properties. There is no shortcut option to this problem except time, time to let these foreclosed homes and excess properties prices to bottom so people with money will swoop in to buy them. IMHO I think 2009 is the beginning of a global recession/depression that will last atleast five years (most likely ten) assuming the financial system does not collapse. Figure years of high employment, employed family members will take care of unemployed family members and friends until the country will rememerge. Gov in Wash DC will be unable to help us, everything will be resolved locally. Organized streets, towns and families are in a better position to survive the riots and chaos that will occur.


36 posted on 02/17/2009 12:34:05 PM PST by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: helpfulresearcher

Excellent article. I printed it out for my husband.


37 posted on 02/17/2009 12:46:53 PM PST by Marie ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: helpfulresearcher

bflr


38 posted on 02/17/2009 1:54:51 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: helpfulresearcher

thank you for the info. good read.


39 posted on 02/17/2009 2:07:53 PM PST by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: helpfulresearcher
Eventually we'll recover from the recession. The recession is painful, but it corrects things that are wrong in a market. A government CAN take action with fiscal, monetary means as well as try to build confidence but it should not keep nonviable businesses alive artificially. What I see today is the creation of government systems and structures that will require long term sustained money to stay alive. Once enacted, like many other social services it will be hard or near impossible to roll them back. Government cheese is like heroin for the masses.

The litmus test I use is simple: Without government subsidies even if hidden, would this structure or system economically stay viable? If the answer is no, then you have a unsustainable program that like a leach simply exists at the expense of viable business. When it comes to certain programs such as defense, law enforcement etc. the answer is almost always “no,” but they are the exception to the rule, and are also one of the few areas where a federal and state run government is needed (conflict of interests, mass, coordination, commonality, etc.). Today however, many believe that the government should manage banks, education, power, health care and even influence what cars are built and light bulb we screw into our lamps. That won't go well for long. There is a huge difference between the words effective and efficient. A military is effective, and that's what they need to be, but they are not efficient, which private enterprise needs to be.

The stimulus bill will create or vastly expand new big government programs. Much of this money will go to nonviable projects, and the multiplying effect of the money infusion in many instances will be very low in an economic sense. Many of these ideas have long lead times that make them take effect too late, and because it's a government administering it, expect massive corruption and fraud. Even if Obama did nothing we'd eventually recover despite his call to immediate action. The real worst case scenario has already been adverted by keeping the lending from freezing up. I'd be more content with inaction and just suffering through what comes than the direction Obama is heading.

40 posted on 02/18/2009 7:36:49 PM PST by Red6
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