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Russian choppers on top
Moscow News ^ | 10/10/2008 | Alexander Peslya

Posted on 01/21/2009 2:39:42 AM PST by pobeda1945

A hundred years ago, the French Breguet brothers, borrowing a page the Wright brothers across the ocean, lifted off in a flying apparatus for the first time, thus marking the birth of the ‘vertical ascent plane.'

In Russia, it was Nikolai Kamov and Alexander Mil who designed helicopters. Kamov's company marks its 60 anniversary this year, while Mil is just one year older.

By competing and vying with each other, the two design bureaus have gained world fame: their 5,200 helicopters have flown in more than 80 countries; they also sport the flags of the UN and the Red Cross. The Mil outfit has produced 15 basic models and more than 200 versions. The Mi-28N Night Hunter is not an upgrade, but the first military helicopter on the post-Soviet space and the main combat vehicle for Russia's Defense Ministry.

The Kamov firm, starting with systems for the navy, has become the only company in the world to launch a serial production of ‘co-axial helicopters' (two counter-rotating blades give increased maneuverability and stability to the craft). And now recall the killing ability of Black Sharks, and the two-seater Alligator, which has a strike potential unequalled anywhere else in the world. It has an onboard digital computer, while pilots are provided with helmet-mounted target designators, thermal imagery technology.

In the post-Soviet period, the two firms experienced nasty bumps on the road to the free market. They paid exorbitant prices for materials and parts, and suffered arrears from customers. Meanwhile, the profit-bringing export flow must never flag, and besides Russian oil workers, rescue services, businesses and the military also need helicopters as good as those supplied to the West. The current demand for civilian helicopters alone is more than 2,000 units.

But the industry has its specifics, Mikhail Kazachkov from the Helicopter Industry Association told RIA Novosti in an interview. Its bane is the lengthy production time: an idea to finished product takes, on average, 12 years.

The authorities have decided to restructure the helicopter industry, to optimize its cash flows and make it more competitive. For that purpose they brought its separate branches under one umbrella, called Helicopters of Russia. Reformers from the Industry and Trade Ministry and the Oboronprom Corporation are currently integrating the design bureaus, manufacturing facilities, and service centers more vigorously than in aircraft building. Things are moving toward the unification of research, technical and production policies. And in order to lay a good groundwork for continued efforts, a unified scientific and engineering council, and an innovation engineering center have been set up. According to Sergei Mikheyev, Kamov's general designer, a competitive and creative spirit, emphasis on extra-corporate aims, and the merging of the two teams, although seemingly paradoxical, have produced excellent results.

The reform pursues strategic aims: to make Russia the world leader in seven years, bring the output of helicopters to 450-500 units per year by 2015 (the current figure is 120), and to corner 15% of the world market, while increasing sales to 400 billion rubles. Asset concentration, effective management, and optimization of intellectual resources, production facilities and costs are the overriding objectives.

New projects have great importance as well. According to Andrei Shibitov, the head of Helicopters of Russia, the first project in the development program through 2015-2020 will be a basic high-speed helicopter: "Its concept is not just high speed, it is a combination of many new features." The second project will be a light helicopter in the weight class of 1.5 to 2.5 tons. "Today we are working on the Mi-34, but it is not a helicopter of the future. Western equipment compels us to go one better," he said. Designers are not going to catch up with the Robinson company, but are aiming at an entirely new product with an advanced Russian engine. The third project concerns helicopter gunships. Russia is not going to upgrade the Night Hunter or Alligator, but will develop whole new systems of the fifth generation. Finally, there will be a project to develop a multi-role unmanned aerial vehicle.

Different versions of the Ka-32 successfully operate in Canada, Korea, Chile, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, Japan and China. Contracts have been signed to supply Mi-24NPs to the Russian air force and Mi-35Ms to Venezuela. Work is under way on secret projects for security agencies.

Helicopters in Russia are a must, they provide transport services where there are no roads or waterways. According to the Industry and Trade Ministry, Russia has less than 14 civilian helicopters per one million of population, while in Canada the figure is 56; in the U.S., 40; and in Japan, 15.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; helicopters; military; russia

1 posted on 01/21/2009 2:39:43 AM PST by pobeda1945
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To: pobeda1945
Russian helicopters are good but the future of all helicopters for combat is getting dimmer. They are too slow, fly too low, and have easily detectable signatures, which makes them easily shot down in the modern battlefield.

The helicopter has already become this era's "biplane" and will only survive in the safer rear areas from now on.

2 posted on 01/21/2009 3:42:59 AM PST by Chinstrap61a
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To: pobeda1945
If I had a choice between wrestling a 12’ croc or flying in a Russian helo, I'd take the croc.
3 posted on 01/21/2009 4:02:02 AM PST by ryan71
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To: pobeda1945
Many Russian helicopters look ugly and strange to me...


4 posted on 01/21/2009 4:19:19 AM PST by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: pobeda1945

I’ll stick with the Apachee and American built helicopters.


5 posted on 01/21/2009 4:40:32 AM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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Whoa! An onboard digital computer in those Kamovs! And helmet-mounted target designators with thermal imagery technology! Jeez louise! When the shooting starts, every hostile nearby, in the sky or on the ground, is doomed.


6 posted on 01/21/2009 5:25:38 AM PST by flowerplough (Liberalism undermined: Certain permanent moral and political truths are accessible to human reason.)
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To: Bobalu
Might be their brute force approach to flying machines.

Having flown in Mi 2 and 17 helos, I can assure you it is something I will never due again. I guess watching fuel run down the side of the aircraft from the engine nacelle was a bit unnerving.

But it did wash away all the hydraulic fluid that had spilled out earlier. Note large puddle in photo one, just like an old Harley....

7 posted on 01/21/2009 8:19:18 AM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: Bobalu

I watched an old Soviet coax hauling buckets of concrete in the Ukrainian Carpathian mountains. It was impressive how much that thing could haul all day long.


8 posted on 01/21/2009 9:16:58 AM PST by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: pobeda1945
I read somewhere that when Igor Ivanovich Sikorsky needed to introduce himself at New York cocktail parties, he would twirl a finger above his head to preempt the question whether he was the Sikorsky.
9 posted on 01/21/2009 9:28:21 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: Chinstrap61a
but the future of all helicopters for combat is getting dimmer. They are too slow, fly too low, and have easily detectable signatures, which makes them easily shot down in the modern battlefield.

What machines will support infantry instead of the helos than?

10 posted on 01/22/2009 3:26:40 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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UAVs, more than likely. The good news is that they can fly in regimes that are too stressful for a human pilot to endure -

And if they're shot down, we have more where those came from.

11 posted on 01/22/2009 3:46:03 PM PST by Chinstrap61a
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To: Chinstrap61a
UAVs, more than likely. The good news is that they can fly in regimes that are too stressful for a human pilot to endure

A helo (whether manned a not) has advantages due to its ability to move at low speed or hover. Even a relatively slow propeller-moved plane isn't that handy as a helo.

12 posted on 01/22/2009 11:22:36 PM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior
"A helo (whether manned a not) has advantages due to its ability to move at low speed and hover."

No question. The problem is that helos are limited in maximum speed and altitude and they have a very recognizable rotor disc to contend with. The Russians have developed (and no doubt shared) and tank-fired guided round that seeks helicopters using a millimeter wave radar seeker that "sees" the rotor and targets it.

13 posted on 01/23/2009 3:37:27 AM PST by Chinstrap61a
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