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How about this as a new Constitutional Amendment?

Posted on 12/25/2008 7:30:40 AM PST by thatjoeguy

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To: wita
"The State of SD instituted term limits and found that all it did was hinder the work of the legislature because of the inexperience of the new legislators,..."

Precisely. San Antonio, many years ago, instituted the most severe term limits for it's city council that are the most draconian in the country. The end result was that a city councilperson is nothing more than a ceremonial position. The city is run 100% by a completely unaccountable city staff. WHen a councilperson calls a department to do something for a constituent, the attitude in the department is "I wish he/she would quit calling me!" Council gets a several hundred page document to vote on the day of the council meeting and city staff knows full well they've buried crap deep inside it that cannot be found before the vote is ramrodded through.

Sorry, it's too late to warn about getting me started on term limits. I'm about to get on a roll!

41 posted on 12/25/2008 8:45:23 AM PST by DaGman
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To: DaGman
But the sheeple just aren't smart enough to realize that name recognition and power plus pork are not the only reasons to vote for stooges. I offer Michigan as an example. For some reasons the constituents in these gun owner areas vote liberal. Probably a name recognition, union and voter rigging thing as Levin and team always win.
It's a shame and term limits overrule the dumbed down voting although it can work the other way for desirable representatives that are forced to leave i.e., Casperson.
42 posted on 12/25/2008 8:46:18 AM PST by mcshot (Zero man! Fill out your own employment application for US.)
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To: fr_freak

How about 401k’s instead of the pensions they now receive - they’d at least have to put in as much as the govt match.

43 posted on 12/25/2008 8:47:21 AM PST by Twotone
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To: DaGman
I’ve never liked term limits. Term limits means someone that doesn’t live in my district doesn’t like who the people in my district elected but that someone won’t move into my district to vote against him/her.

Sure. By providing congressional pork to your district your congressman ensures his own perpetual reelection. At the expense of every American not his constituent, and eventually at the expense of the American Republic itself.

Besides, is everyone else in your congressional district so mentally retarded that there is no one who could do just as good a job as the incumbent retard?

Seriously, the issue is careerism, people who go to Washington, become part of the Washingtonian class and never leave until they retire with a fat pile of boodle under their arms. Now we are starting to see the Washingtonian class become an hereditary class - see Caroline Kennedy's attempt to capture the New York Senate seat on the basis of her ancestry and Ted Kennedy's behind-the-scenes attempt to will his own senate seat to his wife. This will only get worse - and it will get worse fast.

Many things are in the Constitution to forbid the people from doing what they want and corrupting the Republic. Term limits would be one more.

Not that it will ever happen. Maybe a thousand years from now some people trying to set up a stable republic will learn from our (and the founders) mistakes, and include term limits. Note to those people if they happen to read this: term limits, and no retirement pensions to elected officials. If they want retirement security let them retire to private life and earn it themselves, like their constituents have to.

44 posted on 12/25/2008 8:47:53 AM PST by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: thatjoeguy

Term limits result in an uninformed legislature. Most of these issues take years to gain some expertise in order to understand the vocabulary and programs involved. I want someone who has been through more than a few briefings and hearings on a topic to be making decisions about what goes into a bill.

Term limits ends up with uninformed decisions or the legislator being told by lobbyists or his/her staff how to vote on issues. Un-elected “handlers” would acquire more and more power as the bureaucrats.

We have seen it in the State legislature.

45 posted on 12/25/2008 8:53:00 AM PST by marsh2
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To: thatjoeguy
I think a good start would be a Constitutional Amendment requiring every member of Congress have an IQ of at least 110.

The reason I posit this is that we have certifiable MORONS in Congress and THEY'RE writing Laws that WE all have to live by. And that is the classic definition of:

The Inmates Are Running The Asylum
Sheila Jackson-Lee, Maxine Waters, Patty 'gym shoes' Murry, 'Cadillac' Charlie Rangel, Babs Boxer, Di-Fi, Linda Sanchez (or 90% of anyone from CA), and in IL: Bobby Rush, Louis Gutierrez and Davis Danny are just a few IDIOTS that are or were in Congress that come to mind. Oh, almost forgot the *best* example -- 'Jihad' Cindy McKinney (IQ of 30).

Ergo, any potential Congress-critter would have to submit a certified copy of their IQ test to their respective Secretaries of State before they could be placed on the ballot. Just like they do with the minimum number of Signatures

Yes, I know. There's a lot of women on my list, and minorities too. Well that's the way it goes, if the shoe fits...

46 posted on 12/25/2008 8:53:56 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Cheburashka

Now, and in my opinion,and the next few years is not a good time to tinker with the Constitution.

47 posted on 12/25/2008 8:54:43 AM PST by sport
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To: marsh2
Term limits result in an uninformed legislature.

Most of them are a bunch of drooling idiots anyway, I don't see how it matters. Just pick random names out of the phone book.

48 posted on 12/25/2008 8:55:52 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I cannot accept this as true. No treaty can override the Constitution. To amend the Constitutions requires 3/4 of the states to ratify, a treaty a majority of the Senate. The Bricker Amendment must be a way to tell Justice Kennedy to keep his hands off foreign law.

How about an amendment:

2/3 of both houses to raise taxes and spending and a simple majority to lower them.

49 posted on 12/25/2008 8:56:22 AM PST by depressed in 06 (Dope in chains, the Chicago way.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

add to that... if you receive any form of government assistance becasue you refuse to work, you cannot vote due to conflict of interest...

50 posted on 12/25/2008 8:57:01 AM PST by TV Dinners (Hope is not a Strategy)
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To: thatjoeguy

Constitution = obama snickers

51 posted on 12/25/2008 8:57:40 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: thatjoeguy
Now I'm not a Constitutional Lawyer... Here goes but please don't shoot me :)

As long as you are not a lawyer and don't go hunting with Dick Cheney, not much can happen...

52 posted on 12/25/2008 8:58:30 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Baynative

I am %1000 with you on every point my friend. Elected office should be a hard working ,no perks , moderate paying , limited job. No one should be allowed to make $$ on their backs of their law making privilege.

53 posted on 12/25/2008 8:59:36 AM PST by sonic109
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To: JimRed

This would be a good start! Lawyers have ruined this country.
54 posted on 12/25/2008 9:00:20 AM PST by TV Dinners (Hope is not a Strategy)
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To: depressed in 06; All
How about a couple of more:
1. The President shall only serve 1 six year term..
2. Repeal the 17th amendment..
55 posted on 12/25/2008 9:00:59 AM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: thatjoeguy

Just repeal the income tax amendment. That money is the source of all corruption in the federal government.

56 posted on 12/25/2008 9:01:59 AM PST by Blado (It's a dirty stinking rotten alternate universe but it's OUR dirty stinking rotten alternate u...)
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To: fr_freak

Spot-on dude!

57 posted on 12/25/2008 9:06:57 AM PST by Axenolith (Government blows and that which governs least blows least...)
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To: depressed in 06

The “Supremacy Clause” of the U.S. Constitution
is contained in Article VI:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States
which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all
Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the
Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall
be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or
Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

58 posted on 12/25/2008 9:09:30 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: thatjoeguy; All

How about you and me and you and you and you and you and you and everyone else within sight of this post, pick a few States where an incumbent is an unfaithful representative, and agree to go to that State and work in the Primary to get someone else elected in the screwup’s district? We could share motel rooms for a week, say, and canvass and hand out flyers and call voters, working with the local Republicans. If we had maybe a dozen per group and we stayed in inexpensive motels and worked long hours for a new Candidate, we might just be able to remove some of the less productive members of Congress.

I’m retired, it’d be worth it to try to unseat a Kennedy, Kerry, Frank, Reid, Byrd, Dodd, etc.

59 posted on 12/25/2008 9:19:32 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Cultural conditions, not gun laws, are the most important factors in a nation's crime rate.)
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To: DaGman
The best term limit tool is at the ballot box by the people that do the voting.

True, but so far, the only WORKING term limit is a pine box....

60 posted on 12/25/2008 9:22:19 AM PST by dirtbiker (I 'm a liberal's worst nightmare:A redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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