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GM and Chrysler Will Get $17.4 Billion in U.S. Loans to Survive
Yahoo News ^ | 12-19-08 | Roger Runningen

Posted on 12/19/2008 6:11:11 AM PST by WackySam

Edited on 12/19/2008 6:14:22 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: shoutingandpointing
Cars that last are not conducive to the sale of replacement vehicles. Kind of a Catch-22.

PC vs. MAC.

IBM vs. DEC.

Same catch.

321 posted on 12/25/2008 6:52:12 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Drill Thrawl

You aren’t considering ‘market’.

For instance, the Vega. It had it’s market.

A cheap, sporty little car that you bought for your teenager to drive.

You know they are gonna drive the heck out of it, and trash it.

It’s not like the Vega was meant to be a long term investment. If you want that, go buy a Veyron.


322 posted on 12/25/2008 6:57:45 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: WackySam

You gotta admit, those cars behaviors matched their names.


323 posted on 12/25/2008 7:00:02 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: bronxboy

Speaking of the Cobalt reminds me of the business triangle.

You can have two of the following:
Cheap
Fast
Good

You can’t get all three.

I’m not criticizing the Cobalt in particular. Again, I think cars are designed to appeal to specific markets.


324 posted on 12/25/2008 7:07:47 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

And the teenagers drove it, hated it, and swore never to buy an American car.


325 posted on 12/25/2008 12:37:04 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (Who is John Galt?)
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To: WackySam

> Lee Iacocca: He’s back and he is mad!!

The Two-Party System????

Remember Lee Iacocca, the VP at Ford credited with the birth of the Mustang,
the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from their death throes, and the
owner of the famous quote ‘Lead, follow, or get out of the way?’
Well, he’s back! He has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

Lee Iacocca writes:

‘Am I the only guy in this country who’s fed up with what’s happening?
Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder!
We’ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a
cliff, we’ve got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can’t even clean
up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car.
But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say,
‘Stay the course’
>
> Stay the course? You’ve got to be kidding. This is America, not the
damned ‘Titanic.’ I’ll give you a sound bite: ‘Throw all the bums out!’

> You might think I’m getting senile, that I’ve gone off my rocker, and
maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country
anymore.
>
>The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in
> handcuffs. While we’re fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and
> nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving ‘pom-poms’
instead of asking hard questions. That’s not the promise of the ‘America’ my
> parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I’ve had enough. How
> about you?
>
> I’ll go a step further. You can’t call yourself a patriot if you’re not
> outraged. This is a fight I’m ready and willing to have.
>
> The Biggest ‘C’ is Crisis!

> Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It’s
> easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send
> someone else’s kids off to war when you’ve never seen a battlefield
> yourself. It’s another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.
> George Bush, Dick Chaney and who is this Bozo coming up next? One of the
> most Liberal Idiots in the U. S. Senate and he is talking about disarming
> America . I can’t believe the American people aren’t seeing what he is
> about to do to this country. May God have mercy on us all.
>
> On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time
in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes.
A Hell of a Mess.
So here’s where we stand. We’re immersed in a bloody war with
no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We’re running the biggest
deficit in the history of the country.
We’re losing the manufacturing edge to Asia,
> while our once-great Companies are all moving offshore.
We’re getting slaughtered by health care costs.
Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy.
Our schools are the worst in the world.
Our borders are like sieves.
The middle class is being squeezed every which way.
These are times that cry out for leadership and we are
getting ready to put the most Liberal Senator in the US Senate in as our
next President because we want to be fair and elect someone just because
of his race. We don’t have time to be fair, we need a strong leader.
>
> But when you look around, you’ve got to ask: ‘Where have all the leaders
> gone?’ Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the
people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense?
I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I hope you get the point.
>
Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making
us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We’ve spent
> billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how
to do is react to things that have already happened.
>
> Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina.
> Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the
> hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in
> the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone’s hunkering down, fingers
> crossed, hoping it doesn’t happen again. Well guess what people? We are
> having more floods right now. What are we doing to help these people out.
> Now, that’s just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure
> out what you’re going to do the next time. Why are we allowing people to
> build in flood plains anyway? If you build in a flood area, expect to be
> flooded and deal with it. Don’t expect the Government to bail you out.
>
> Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can
> restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. All they seem to be
thinking now-days is getting themselves bigger salaries and bonuses.
Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when ‘The Big Three’ referred to
Japanese car companies?
How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it?
Likely nothing!
>
> Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the
> debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem.
> The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at
> our country and milking the middle class dry.
>
> I have news for the gang in Congress and the Senate. We didn’t elect you
to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is
> being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity.
What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a
> name?
Give me a break. Why don’t you guys show some spine for a change?
I honestly don’t think any of you have one!
>
> Had Enough?
>
> Hey, I’m not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I’m trying to
> light a fire.
I’m speaking out because I have hope; I believe in America...
> In my lifetime I’ve had the privilege of living through some of America’s
> greatest moments I’ve also experienced some of our worst crises:
the ‘Great Depression,’ ‘World War II,’ the ‘Korean War,’ the ‘Kennedy
Assassination,’ the ‘Vietnam War,’ the 1970’s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent
years culminating with 9/11. If I’ve learned one thing, it’s this:
>
‘You don’t get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody
> else to take action. Whether it’s building a better car or building a
better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That’s the challenge
> I’m raising in this book. It’s a call to ‘Action’ for people who, like me,
> believe in America.
It’s not too late, but it’s getting pretty close.
So let’s shake off the crap and go to work. Let’s tell ‘em all we’ve had
‘enough.’
>
> Make a ‘real contribution’ by sending this to everyone you know and care
> about......our future is at stake!’
>

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now.


326 posted on 12/28/2008 11:43:18 PM PST by joydocsusie (ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY OR ANYTHING IN AMERICA WH)
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To: WackySam

> Lee Iacocca: He’s back and he is mad!!

The Two-Party System????

Remember Lee Iacocca, the VP at Ford credited with the birth of the Mustang,
the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from their death throes, and the
owner of the famous quote ‘Lead, follow, or get out of the way?’
Well, he’s back! He has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

Lee Iacocca writes:

‘Am I the only guy in this country who’s fed up with what’s happening?
Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder!
We’ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a
cliff, we’ve got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can’t even clean
up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car.
But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say,
‘Stay the course’
>
> Stay the course? You’ve got to be kidding. This is America, not the
damned ‘Titanic.’ I’ll give you a sound bite: ‘Throw all the bums out!’

> You might think I’m getting senile, that I’ve gone off my rocker, and
maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country
anymore.
>
>The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in
> handcuffs. While we’re fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and
> nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving ‘pom-poms’
instead of asking hard questions. That’s not the promise of the ‘America’ my
> parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I’ve had enough. How
> about you?
>
> I’ll go a step further. You can’t call yourself a patriot if you’re not
> outraged. This is a fight I’m ready and willing to have.
>
> The Biggest ‘C’ is Crisis!

> Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It’s
> easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send
> someone else’s kids off to war when you’ve never seen a battlefield
> yourself. It’s another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.
> George Bush, Dick Chaney and who is this Bozo coming up next? One of the
> most Liberal Idiots in the U. S. Senate and he is talking about disarming
> America . I can’t believe the American people aren’t seeing what he is
> about to do to this country. May God have mercy on us all.
>
> On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time
in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes.
A Hell of a Mess.
So here’s where we stand. We’re immersed in a bloody war with
no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We’re running the biggest
deficit in the history of the country.
We’re losing the manufacturing edge to Asia,
> while our once-great Companies are all moving offshore.
We’re getting slaughtered by health care costs.
Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy.
Our schools are the worst in the world.
Our borders are like sieves.
The middle class is being squeezed every which way.
These are times that cry out for leadership and we are
getting ready to put the most Liberal Senator in the US Senate in as our
next President because we want to be fair and elect someone just because
of his race. We don’t have time to be fair, we need a strong leader.
>
> But when you look around, you’ve got to ask: ‘Where have all the leaders
> gone?’ Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the
people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense?
I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I hope you get the point.
>
Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making
us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We’ve spent
> billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how
to do is react to things that have already happened.
>
> Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina.
> Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the
> hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in
> the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone’s hunkering down, fingers
> crossed, hoping it doesn’t happen again. Well guess what people? We are
> having more floods right now. What are we doing to help these people out.
> Now, that’s just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure
> out what you’re going to do the next time. Why are we allowing people to
> build in flood plains anyway? If you build in a flood area, expect to be
> flooded and deal with it. Don’t expect the Government to bail you out.
>
> Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can
> restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. All they seem to be
thinking now-days is getting themselves bigger salaries and bonuses.
Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when ‘The Big Three’ referred to
Japanese car companies?
How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it?
Likely nothing!
>
> Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the
> debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem.
> The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at
> our country and milking the middle class dry.
>
> I have news for the gang in Congress and the Senate. We didn’t elect you
to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is
> being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity.
What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a
> name?
Give me a break. Why don’t you guys show some spine for a change?
I honestly don’t think any of you have one!
>
> Had Enough?
>
> Hey, I’m not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I’m trying to
> light a fire.
I’m speaking out because I have hope; I believe in America...
> In my lifetime I’ve had the privilege of living through some of America’s
> greatest moments I’ve also experienced some of our worst crises:
the ‘Great Depression,’ ‘World War II,’ the ‘Korean War,’ the ‘Kennedy
Assassination,’ the ‘Vietnam War,’ the 1970’s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent
years culminating with 9/11. If I’ve learned one thing, it’s this:
>
‘You don’t get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody
> else to take action. Whether it’s building a better car or building a
better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That’s the challenge
> I’m raising in this book. It’s a call to ‘Action’ for people who, like me,
> believe in America.
It’s not too late, but it’s getting pretty close.
So let’s shake off the crap and go to work. Let’s tell ‘em all we’ve had
‘enough.’
>
> Make a ‘real contribution’ by sending this to everyone you know and care
> about......our future is at stake!’
>

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now.


327 posted on 12/28/2008 11:43:19 PM PST by joydocsusie (ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY OR ANYTHING IN AMERICA WH)
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To: rom

Ok, where can we all get bumper stickers that say something like... this is the last union made car I will ever drive. I am ashamed to drive my impala.


328 posted on 12/31/2008 2:14:59 PM PST by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: WackySam

No Shit.

Sorry for swearing here, but...when I read that...well...


329 posted on 01/02/2009 6:09:43 PM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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