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Stealth Jihad (Robert Spencer says "End Muslim immigration into the United States")
Frontpage ^ | 12/2/2008 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 12/02/2008 7:40:33 PM PST by GOPGuide

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FP: How do we stop the stealth jihadists?

Spencer:

Enforce existing laws.

Section 2385 of the federal criminal code states that “whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government…shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.”

If this already existing law – revised as of January 2, 2006 -- were enforced against Islamic groups in the United States, the stealth jihad could be stopped in its tracks.

Reclassify Muslim organizations.

Any Muslim group in America that does not explicitly renounce, in transparent and manifest deed as well as word, any intention now or in the future to replace the Constitution of the United States with Islamic Sharia should be classified as a political rather than a religious organization, and should be subject to all the responsibilities and standards, which political organizations must adhere. Or it should be closed. Likewise, mosques and Islamic schools should be closely monitored, and any that preach Islamic supremacism in the United States summarily closed.

End Muslim immigration into the United States, as a simple matter of national security.

Immigration policy must work toward the integration of all immigrants, but the all-encompassing societal program of Sharia makes integration of pious, serious, informed Muslims ultimately impossible. While there is no doubt that there are many millions of Muslims who have no interest in jihad either by violence or stealth, no Islamic authorities anywhere in the world have declared heretical or in any way unacceptable the idea that unbelievers must be fought against by various means and subjugated under the rule of Islamic law. Unless and until that begins to happen, no one can be sure of the sentiments of any individual believer. Consequently, simply to protect ourselves, there should be an end to Muslim immigration, combined with a clear notice to Muslims in the United States that any action on behalf of Sharia supremacism is unacceptable.

In today’s political climate, of course, such a measure is impossible. It will be denounced as “racism,” despite the fact that Islamic jihad supremacism is not a race. But at very least, immigration officials should adopt a program to screen Muslims entering the United States for jihadist sentiments. This will provide grounds for deportation if an entrant renounces some aspect of Sharia supremacism on his immigration application and then works for it once in the country.

Take pride in our own culture.

Reject the revisionism and self-hatred that dominates the textbook view of American history and Western civilization today, and recognize that Western culture and civilization are threatened in many, many particulars that we take for granted, and that they are worth defending. American citizens should stop spending so little time on the history of their own country, and on the civilization of the Western world, and so much more on a mishmash of practically everything -- which, in the case of Islam, also has become (as we have seen) a carefully-devised method to impart misinformation on the part of those who calculatedly employ the rhetoric of inclusion and multiculturalism to attain for themselves the right of final edit, as it were, of discussion of Islam in American history textbooks. We must re-learn our own history, and to take pride in much of it, and to revere, not find new ways to deride, those who built the political and legal institutions of this country, with its unrivalled freedoms and solicitude for the individual.

FP: Robert Spencer, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.

Spencer: Thank you Jamie.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; jihad; jihadinamerica; mohammedanism; mohammedanism122008; muslim; robertspencer; spencer; stealthjihad
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To: MadIsh32

“Muslims and Christians have plenty in common including support of traditional marriage, and opposition to abortion.”

Then imagine how much easier it would be to integrate if the Muslims here simply converted to Christianity since there is already so much in common? I am serious, if they want to fit in, they should either convert or renounce Islam, because the religion is the central problem here.


21 posted on 12/02/2008 8:42:23 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

It’s a little too late for this now. Demonrats control everything and are about to destroy everything. There are no more Churchills in this era.


22 posted on 12/02/2008 8:50:55 PM PST by bushfamfan (United States of America: July 4, 1776-November 4, 2008)
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To: GOPGuide

Go to a Mosque and get started my friend

Going back to the original point of this thread. If only one Muslim nation has Sharia law, how in the hell will it ever be implemented in America?


23 posted on 12/02/2008 8:59:29 PM PST by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: MadIsh32; VigilantAmerican; All

Dumb me! It didn’t occur to me that you are a Muslim.

Most of the population in the USA are not that tolerant of people who hold to the “Quaran” as a matter of faith, because we have read it, and find it a 7th century belief system.

And while it might intimidate Europe, it will never succeed here. Perhaps you have been fooled by our liberal media, who prevaricate almost as much as the Muslim world does.

The moment that any of your fellow believers even try to pull off another 911, every muslim in this country, no matter how innocent, will be an instant target. The reason is that we know you all lie as the Quaran demands.

If you do not hesitate to kill innocents, why should the majority of Americans worry about your women and children? Your fellow Muslims killed an innocent woman who was 6 months pregnant, just because she was Jewish? And you say nothing?

Mark my word, MadIsh32.

There will be a cleansing, and Muslims will not prevail here in the USA, for you follow a false faith. I am sorry you are stuck in it, but understand you will be killed if you leave it, so perhaps you should go back to your country of origin, for you might be safer there in the holocaust to come.

Do not believe everything you read in the newspapers, or hear on TV about tolerance. After all, if you can lie to us, we can also lie to you.

So, pack up your family, and head back to your homeland, friend. Sharia law is so much more appropriate for you, considering your faith.


24 posted on 12/02/2008 9:25:07 PM PST by jacquej
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To: GOPGuide

bttt


25 posted on 12/02/2008 9:26:14 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: GOPGuide
If there was only a way to tell if they are using the Koran sanctioned right of “Taquiyya”. They are able to lie in different situations without dishonor.

At least the UK Muslim leader, Choudray, who has an interview on the following site, is NOT lying when he says,

“I will stand with my Muslim brother whether he is the OPPRESSOR or the OPPRESSED.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org

It is obvious that even The Messiah will not be able to talk them out of their twisted ideology.

26 posted on 12/02/2008 9:35:40 PM PST by dianed
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To: MadIsh32

Increasing portions of the USA, increasing portions of the UK and Iran.


27 posted on 12/02/2008 9:39:04 PM PST by Boiling Pots (Anthony Kennedy: The 2nd most important person in Government 2009-2013. Pray for his good health.)
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To: MadIsh32

People in this country are desperate to believe that most of the Islamic faith is peaceful...but,

As each horrific terrorist attack goes by without a word of OUTRAGE from ANYONE in your faith,
we ALL realize that YOUR SILENCE speaks louder than your words ever could.

NO GOD, THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND IN AMERICA, CONDONES KILLING!


28 posted on 12/02/2008 9:48:21 PM PST by dianed
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To: dianed

Bah

There is plenty of condemnation. I’d spend all night putting up the links to it

The point of this thread seemed to have been fear of Muslims gaining power in America and pushing for Sharia law. This is completely hysterical to me because a Muslim nation like Pakistan, with 99.7 percent of the population being Muslim has REJECTED Sharia law every single time it has come up for vote

Every single time, 99.7 percent.

Simmer on that for a minute

And with that, good night my friends


29 posted on 12/02/2008 9:52:20 PM PST by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: MadIsh32

You mean THE Pakistan. The one that had it’s resident terrorists in India?

Oh, I’m sure they’ll know more when the remainder of the estimated 100 that came in on the same boat start the next attacks.

Muslim countries EXPORT TERROR. Say THAT ain’t so!


30 posted on 12/02/2008 10:01:56 PM PST by dianed
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To: livius

I hate to break it to you, but GWB is bringing in thousands of Iraqi refugees. If anyone thinks they aren’t part of the FTA (Future Terrorists of America) club, he is delusional.


31 posted on 12/02/2008 10:03:29 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: MadIsh32

Heed my warning, MadIsh32.

Do not trust our press, or the pleasantries of our elected officials. True Americans are capable of things Muslims cannot even imagine.


32 posted on 12/02/2008 10:06:23 PM PST by jacquej
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To: MadIsh32

And, MadIsh32, please understand that we are not in “fear of Muslims gaining power in America and pushing for Sharia law”.

If you think that, you are thinking like a European.

WE DO NOT LIKE the way Muslims behave, and we are even more unhappy that they do not condemn the barbarism of some who claim to act in the name of Islam.

I say again, in case you didn’t read me above. It is time to make plans, if you care about your family, to forgo the wonders of the USA, and scram back to the country you came from.

Why are you here, anyway? After all, we are so corrupt, and all that!


33 posted on 12/02/2008 10:14:18 PM PST by jacquej
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To: GOPGuide

bttt


34 posted on 12/02/2008 10:32:04 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: GOPGuide; All
See anything familiar about that salute?

I tried to wake people up, for years & years:

Get the picture?

Click the picture...
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35 posted on 12/03/2008 1:00:36 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: MadIsh32; GOPGuide

SaudiArabia, Pakistan, Northern Nigeria, Iran, etc. — all others including Malaysia (that is only 50 to 55% M) has elements of Sharia including making it illegal for a M to convert from Iz (but perfectly legal for anyone else to convert to Iz)


36 posted on 12/03/2008 5:06:39 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: GOPGuide

Since the Muslims are the people that want us dead or dhimmified, they should not be allowed in this country.


37 posted on 12/03/2008 5:13:07 AM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: MadIsh32; GOPGuide
Where Muslims live the good life (UAE, America as examples) you have very little, if any terror activity.

You're forgetting other variables. Let's take the UAE for instance --> at least 70% of the population are expatriates. Even in the UAE, it is illegal for aMuslim to convert fromIslam. No beheadings, but the dhimmis are clearly put as "visitors" -- they can only own land / businesses in a "partnership" with a local who sits and rakes in the money, they cannot become citizens and can be deported at any time.

in the US, the M's are a small minority, so they squeak little words of "peace"

When their number crosses 4 to 5% that's when they cause issues like the riots in Birmingham (the UK) and Paris (France). When their number crosses 10 to 15% then they plant a fewbombs like in India, the Phillipines, Thailand etc. When their number crosses 50% then the dhmimmis are firmly kept in their place but not killed (Malaysia, Indonesia). When they cross 90% that's when the killin's start (Egypt). When they are at 100% (SaudiArabia, Afghanistan), that's when a time of "peace" begins

The only exceptions are places run by secular despots like Syria, Iraq under Saddam, Algeria and Libya under Qaddafi (despite all his talks , Qaddafi is truly considered mad by the Arab world)
38 posted on 12/03/2008 5:28:18 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: GOPGuide; MadIsh32

Also, MI —> you forget the bombinbgs in London and Madrid. What about the good life there? And also John Walker lindh.


39 posted on 12/03/2008 5:47:41 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: MadIsh32; GOPGuide
Muslims and Christians have plenty in common including support of traditional marriage, and opposition to abortion

Muslim traditional marriage is where a man can have up to 4 wives at the same time. He can also divorce them freely by just saying "Talaq, Talaq, talaq" (translated: "divorce, divorce, divorce"). He can (at least among Twelver Shia's) go into a "contract" marriage -- where the marriage is for a few weeks to a few months with the full, ahem, benefits. That is THEIR traditional marriage. Do we have anything in common with THAT? No.
40 posted on 12/03/2008 5:52:16 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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