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1 posted on 11/24/2008 12:56:31 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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“.... if there are other universes, they will operate according to different laws of physics than the ones in our universe, and consequently they are permanently and inescapably inaccessible to us”

Sounds like religion to me


40 posted on 11/24/2008 4:56:37 AM PST by RonnG
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And physicist Freeman Dyson draws the appropriate conclusion from the scientific evidence to date: “The universe in some sense knew we were coming.”

This is a kind of post hoc ergo prompter hoc argumentative fallacy. If the physical constants were any different, we wouldn't be here to notice that they were different, so of course the physical constants are what they are.

44 posted on 11/24/2008 5:34:59 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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45 posted on 11/24/2008 5:38:24 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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if there are other universes...they are permanently and inescapably inaccessible to us

Hypotheses which cannot be tested, even in principle, are by definition not part of science! It's ironic that these atheistic scientists are actually retreating into what amounts to metaphysics.

52 posted on 11/24/2008 6:06:42 AM PST by hellbender
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56 posted on 11/24/2008 6:39:20 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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For me, the further one explores physics, the more one realizes there has to be a God to make all this work.


57 posted on 11/24/2008 6:40:55 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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This is a stupid argument, even for an appeasenik fool like D'Loser.

Arguing afer the fact that it's improbable that the universe would have the correct physical attributes to create life is not only erroneous -- it is downright gibberish. The three obvious fatal fallacies in the argument are:

1. Without other universes to compare to which to compare this one, there is no possible basis for assigning any sort of "probability" to its existence or properties.

1a. Similarly, without fundamental knowledge about the entire range of "life other than as we know it" might arise out of different physical laws, there is no way to determine how wide or narrow a range of possible physical laws might be compatible with its existence in some form or other.

2. If the universe did not give rise to intelligence, there would obviously be nobody to formulate arguments as to whether or not it was likely to do so. Thus, the question can only be raised an applied to a universe in which intelligence does, in fact, exist.

The situation is equivalent to the joke about the Texas sharpshooter who shoots at a fence and paints bulls-eyes around each hole -- the probability of a bulls-eye is not small (as one would assume) but rather a dead certainty (because the existence of a bulls-eye is determined by the presence of a bullet hole, just as the existence of someone to frame the argument is determined by the presence of a universe that does in fact generate intelligence).

58 posted on 11/24/2008 6:47:54 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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Our Creator is first discovered through observing natural cause and effect. The more Atheists run away from God, the more they will find Him.


62 posted on 11/24/2008 7:06:34 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where's My Stuff???!!!)
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64 posted on 11/24/2008 7:15:36 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Obama - not just an empty suit - - A Suit Bomb invading the White House)
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65 posted on 11/24/2008 7:46:42 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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These atheistic scientists should decouple God from religion. The ‘Religion = God’ formula seems to be confusing them.

Religions are man made. They are constructs, responses to internal and external forces which couldn’t be comprehended, and have been used to all manner of control and convenience for thousands of years. The ‘God’ you find in the various religions is inevitably unscientific.

But God isn’t religion. God is in the smallest and largest things, and in everything. If we look, inside and out, big and small, in how things work and how things balance and how things are, God will be come apparent.


67 posted on 11/24/2008 7:48:02 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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74 posted on 11/24/2008 8:01:21 AM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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science is based on reason while Christianity is based on faith.

Science is based on reason. Reason is based on Christianity (or, at the least, an uncaused cause that commands we reject superstitious idolatry).

Atheistic materialism is not even faith. It's irrational delusion.

83 posted on 11/24/2008 8:18:20 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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I used to be an atheist/agnostic even though I was brought up in a strong Christian household. Through my study of Physics and Mathematics I again found faith. I can pinpoint the turn around to two things. The first chip on my shoulder was blown off when I learned that the sun and moon were EXACTLY the same size at their zenith in the sky. The second blow came when I really started to understand the universal constant “e” (elementary charge).


84 posted on 11/24/2008 8:28:55 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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99 posted on 11/24/2008 10:05:39 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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The only difficulty, as Folger makes clear, is that there is no empirical evidence for the existence of any universes other than our own. Moreover, there may never be such evidence.

Somewhat out of date.

100 posted on 11/24/2008 10:10:37 AM PST by js1138
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104 posted on 11/24/2008 10:41:43 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("You may all go to Hell, and I will go to Texas." -- David Crockett)
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I saw the film “The Privileged Planet” a few weeks ago and it's really something. Couple that with “The Mystery of Life” and Ben Stien’s film and you've got a full plate of food for thought.
105 posted on 11/24/2008 10:46:34 AM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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Only two reasons for men to do the right thing....fear/love of God OR fear/love of fellow man. You choose which is the more compelling of the two.


106 posted on 11/24/2008 11:01:40 AM PST by mo
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This is funny, they used to just throw infinite time into their “theory”. Now they throw infinite universes. And yet it is not proveable, which makes it faith.

As I have said from the beginning, both sides are a religion, but only one will admit it.

Oh, I should mention that Christians have always believed there is a parallel universe. We call it heaven.


124 posted on 11/24/2008 12:27:04 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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