Exactly, they are even using Jellyfish cells, transgenic nematodes, and worse. I wonder if mr PHD knows that Agrobacterium has been proven to make the cross-kingdom jump from plant to animal, and is just as happy to live in mans body as in a plant. The science is there for those that want to learn, however, for those with fancy learnin’ there is no hope. There’s more that I could say but won’t.