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How to survive the Great Depression of 2008 - 2009
Political Gateway ^ | April 4, 2008 | Bob Hoffman

Posted on 11/14/2008 11:51:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Melinda in TN
We ended up with a personal loan at 9% interest but the farm was safe from those leaches. Banks and other lending institutions are legal crooks in my book.

If more Americans had your attitude, our nation would be solvent. Most Asians eschew loans and pay for everything in cash, and their nations have enormous savings rates and reserves.

61 posted on 11/15/2008 6:42:36 AM PST by montag813 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: I still care
Usually gold does well then. But he says gold is a bad investment.

Gold started what could be a lenghty runup on Friday. Stay tuned.

62 posted on 11/15/2008 6:43:17 AM PST by montag813 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: vietvet67

Like you can even mine new gold for $100 per ounce.


63 posted on 11/15/2008 6:56:49 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A deal is a deal. Don't sign a contract unless you intend to live up to it. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not steal.

64 posted on 11/15/2008 7:03:25 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As for gold and silver, if you buy it now you are really stupid.

Don’t believe any of this? Look me up next year. You did not believe me in 2004/2005 either.


FACTS:
The HISTORIC price of gold in 2003 was quite close to $350.00 US per troy ounce during the year.
The price for gold in March 2006 was quite close to $600.00 US per troy ounce.
The price for gold in March 2008 was quite close to $1000.00 US per troy ounce.
The price today is down to around $750.00 US per troy ounce.

If people had followed the author's advice as far as gold is concerned, they would have damaged their investment portfolio.

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A GOLD BUG AND DO NOT ADVOCATE BUYING GOLD BULLION OR SHARES OR FUTURES. Source are rough ESTIMATIONS only.

65 posted on 11/15/2008 7:05:21 AM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually it wasn’t the corruption of Wall Street as it was the corruption of Congress that got us into this crisis. Once DNC’s Fannie/Freddie faltered it brought everything down with it. More corruption is not the answer.

PRay for W, America and Our Troops


66 posted on 11/15/2008 7:13:22 AM PST by bray (Rezko = Obama)
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To: vietvet67

Where you getting that price?


67 posted on 11/15/2008 7:14:37 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Leisler

Public education produces the desired results, doesn’t it?


68 posted on 11/15/2008 7:16:28 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy is an evil prick. Telling homeowners to screw the lenders? What a pompous jerk.


69 posted on 11/15/2008 7:18:17 AM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Slaves aren’t born, they are made.


70 posted on 11/15/2008 7:22:57 AM PST by Leisler ("Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. " Lenin)
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To: kms61
Let's leave the morality of the scheme aside, and look at the practicality for some. Let's assume they bought a home within their means at the top of the market in 2005 or 2006, with little or no money down. Their payment is manageable but a struggle, due to the downturn and rising prices. The value of the house is down 20-30%.

So here are the options, the right thing: do everything to make the payment; cut out all extras, try to pick up a part time job, etc.

The other option: Do what he says and stop paying the mortgage and stashing the cash. Stay in the house as long as possible. Then rent something cheaper, which will be everything in another year or two.

The economy starts picking up. Now they have the unpaid mortgage payments and the difference between rent and the mortgage socked away. House values are at the bottom. Now they have 10-20% socked away to put down on their old house or a different one at a lower price than when they originally bought.

Is this his scenario? With a larger down payment, would the credit rating matter on the next home purchase?

71 posted on 11/15/2008 7:26:39 AM PST by Betty Jane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He makes his money manufacturing hot air


72 posted on 11/15/2008 7:28:58 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Save America......... put out lots of waferin)
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To: Gondring

From the updated portion of the article:

“Gold and silver. These things are not stocks. They do not get high and split. They go up when inflation is here. They go up, way up. Commercials will tell you to buy gold. Then it is over and they drop down to the normal 100 or 200 for gold and 3 to 7 dollars for silver. It is your money, piss it away if you wish, but my advice is to stay away from gold or silver.”


73 posted on 11/15/2008 7:29:56 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t go nuts on your credit cards, but use them up if you cannot pay them”

In my book........this is downright stealing.


74 posted on 11/15/2008 7:30:03 AM PST by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: FocusNexus
People who stop paying mortgages or loans will have their credit totally destroyed, which not only impacts their ability to get credit later, but it hurts their ability to get jobs — in many jobs they do a credit check routinely before hiring someone. A bad credti check can make people unemployable for responsible jobs.

This is absolutely true. There are several rather accomplished and competent middle-aged men working at low-paying jobs at our office because they have very bad credit (one due to a catastrophic illness, another due to a divorce and crippling alimony payments). They can't get better jobs.

75 posted on 11/15/2008 8:03:03 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: MartinStyles

Personally, the enjoyment of owning a nice collection of fine firearms aside, I don’t want any more guns and ammo than I can carry on foot. As an investment with an eye to selling to those with less foresight it might not be a bad idea. but bunkering is not appealing to me. I prefer to be mobile and you may not be able to depend on being able to drive.


76 posted on 11/15/2008 8:12:59 AM PST by Chuckster ("Here's to a better, stronger America" George Putnam)
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To: FocusNexus
re: People who stop paying mortgages or loans will have their credit totally destroyed)))

He's talking to people already facing foreclosure. That's not many people right now. He's not telling people in good shape to stop paying their mtgs.

We talk a lot about personal responsibility on FR in re loans/credit. But a lender is a professional just like a nurse or a teacher. They have fiduciary and ethical obligations just like a borrower has the responsibility of meeting his own contract. If a lender does not believe a borrower is creditworthy, and still makes the loan...where's his "personal responsibility?" He knows more than the borrower. I don't feel much for these lenders except anger at watching them get bailed out.

77 posted on 11/15/2008 8:25:22 AM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: montag813

I enjoy the small things alot more than I do the big expensive things. I’ve only owned two new vehicles in my life and I’m 54. My current truck is 9 years old and I plan to drive it until it falls apart. I probably won’t ever buy another new one. Our farm is beautiful and the house is just an old farmhouse but it’s probably built better than the new homes that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

When times are good I save extra money in the Credit Union for when times are bad and I have a Christmas Club account. I’ve managed to have two 401k’s, a profit sharing account, and retirement benefits from three companies even though I’ve worked for the same company for 33 years. We’ve been owned by Kraft, Gillette and Proctor & Gamble along with retirement from our Duracell brand.

There are times we’ve had to go in debt for a vehicle or some large item but I finance for the shortest period possible. I believe that if you make a bill you are obligated to pay it. The best way I know to stay solvent is to not borrow money if you can help it. I’ve seen people I work with, that make excellent money, beg overtime because they mis-managed their finances.

No, I don’t have a fancy house or a new vehicle but I can go out to eat occasionally and buy the granddaughter things she needs. What more can you want? People make life way too complicated by trying to keep up with the “Joneses”.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to write a book but personal responsibility is a big issue with me. :-)


78 posted on 11/15/2008 8:29:39 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: MartinStyles
I concur with your statement.

In bad times, it may take all the money you stashed in a hole to buy a loaf of bread. You can not eat gold or silver. Guns and ammo will protect you and your property AND it will feed you and your family.

Already, gun prices are rising. I purchased a pistol two and a half years ago. Today (thanks to Obozo), it is now worth twice what I paid for it.

79 posted on 11/15/2008 8:35:47 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: singfreedom

31% of income


80 posted on 11/15/2008 8:45:57 AM PST by B4Ranch (("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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