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To: Windflier

“Obama’s long form Certificate of Live Birth will confirm in a nanosecond whether he was born in Hawaii, or not. That is, if we ever get to see it.


However the laws of the state of Hawaii make no legal distinction between the long form and the short form in proving birth place.
The US Constitution is mute on establishing the process for determining natural born status.
The sworn affadivits of the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health and the State Health Department’s Registrar of Vital Records that the long form certificate exists and is on file will probably be all that any court will require, along with the Certification of Live Birth (short form) that is currently in public view on the web.


685 posted on 11/15/2008 12:30:18 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
along with the Certification of Live Birth (short form) that is currently in public view on the web.

Actually I think the court would require a certified copy, with the raised state seal, of it would be required. The web image would not suffice.

691 posted on 11/15/2008 12:49:51 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: jamese777
The sworn affadivits of the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health and the State Health Department’s Registrar of Vital Records that the long form certificate exists and is on file will probably be all that any court will require, along with the Certification of Live Birth (short form) that is currently in public view on the web.

Probably, but maybe not, if the theory that he gave up his citizenship at some point is being tested. The CLB only reflects the current information, and the past information might be required in that case. But if the case hinges on "born in Hawaii" alone, then then a certified copy, provided directly to the court, of the CLB would suffice.

692 posted on 11/15/2008 12:52:38 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: jamese777
However the laws of the state of Hawaii make no legal distinction between the long form and the short form in proving birth place.

Hawaiian statute please.

Several knowledgeable posters on this thread have commented upon the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth, and a Certification of Live Birth, the former having the exact location of birth, name of hospital, attending physician's name and signature, etc.

The former is also known as the "long form". This is what is under seal in the state of Hawaii, and is the document that Obama et al are fighting to keep sealed.

The sworn affadivits of the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health and the State Health Department’s Registrar of Vital Records that the long form certificate exists and is on file will probably be all that any court will require, along with the Certification of Live Birth (short form)

I highly doubt that. Any court which is ruling on this case will have to see the actual evidence for Obama's claim to "natural born citizen" status. Affidavits from the aforementioned state officials only state that they have seen it, not that it confirms Obama's citizenship status.

694 posted on 11/15/2008 1:07:07 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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