Rush Limbaugh Raises Questions About Obama's Birth certificate

10-23-08 | Vanity

[thingumbob]

Thanks for this....but is O'bomber in Hawaii now to appear in court and provide proof of his USA birth?

That's what my mother was saying.....damn, wish I had heard it myself but there it is........

[tessalu]

I suspect that Barack Hussein Obama is legally an Indonesian citizen with the real legal name of Barry Suetro. Adoptions are legal all over the world, and I suspect that Barry got adopted, but never was “unadopted”.

[livius]

The point is that to my knowledge, nobody has really pursued the Indonesian citizenship connection, and it’s a little late in the game to start now. Barry will already have sanitized the records (I believe he went to Bali or some place near there not that long ago) and who knows how good their records were to begin with? He has a lot of deniability.

As for the birth certificate, I suspect there’s probably something embarassing on it (like the name Mohammed, or the fact that he wasn’t really Obama Sr.’s son at all, etc.), but unfortunately I don’t think it’s going to disqualify him. It doesn’t even make him look bad in the eyes of his supporters; I don’t believe Kerry ever disclosed his military record, and yet the Dems didn’t seem to care. Bush, on the other hand, produced all sorts of records, and the Dems just ignored them.

I’d love for this to be true as a way of getting rid of Obama, but I think we’re pinning our hopes to something pretty insubstantial here.

[T Ruth]

What you say seems correct. If Obama were to be elected (he won’t be), probably the most likely person to have standing would be someone who did not want to comply with an executive order or a statute signed by Obama.

[livius]

Also—he swore to paperwork when applying to the Illinois State Bar that he had NEVER been known under any other names.

I don't know what name he registered under, but apparently he has been known by a variety of other names, ranging from Soetero to Dunham and assorted first names, so at least there's a possibility of some kind of charge there, I'd think.

[Godsgirl]

Yes, please do.

[Gemsbok]

I can scream the plumber Joe Wurzellbacher’s middle name JOE at the top of my lungs.

If I say what’s the Socialist’s middle name, HUSSEIN, I will take the risk of a lead pipe to my legs.

[mcshot]

Agreed. Constitutional requirements should mean something and action must be taken when they are violated.

[patriot08]

Well it’s about d*mn time!

Rush keeps harping on the same stuff every day and wasting time. I’ve gotten so I don’t bother to tune him much.

DEMAND Mccain/Palin fight Obama back! NAME NAMES!
Ayers! Wright! Frank Davis! Odinga!

McCain will NOT attack enough to win the election.

McCain’s anemic attempts to fight Obama back is losing this election. DEMAND THEY EXPOSE OBAMA. NAME NAMES!!

Flood him out with emails with videos, articles, documentation.

Flood the MSM out with emails with videos, articles, documentation. DEMAND they put the truth before the American voters!

Please go to
http://www.protestthemedia.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7

and pick up all the email addresses to the McCain camp and HUNDREDS of emails of MSM.

SEND A FREE FAX!! https://faxzero.com/

[patriot08]

PROOF Obama member New Party:
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-file-41-obama-was-new-party.html

Flood Rush out with it!

[x]

If Obama's father already had a wife in Kenya and his marriage to Dunham wasn't valid, then Obama was an American citizen wherever he was born. Citizenship follows the mother if the parents weren't married and the rules are not as strict as when the parents were legally married. More here.

As regards adoption: is it the same if you adopt a Chinese child you're not related to, and when a French step-parent legally adopts you? In the first case, all the child's ties with the birth world have been broken. In the second case, that's obviously not true.

It's less likely that adoption by a stepfather would change a child's citizenship, given the continued presence of the mother. So is the law -- U.S. and Indonesian -- the same in both cases or isn't it?

And there are adoptions and "adoptions." The US can be strict about this, but I'd suppose that in some other countries, a child is who the parents claim he or she is. If Dunham moved to Indonesia and started calling her child by his stepfather's name, who would stop her?

[x]

One thing stood out as immediately inconsistent: Father's race was listed as "African." That's incorrect both as a designation of race, and the word's usage for the time period in question. Official documents issued in the early 1960s would present the more commonly used word "Negro" as a racial descriptor.

Hawaii wasn't as strict about these things as some other states. There are also different kinds of paperwork. If you looked at the records sent to the state health authorities, they might well have said "Negro." In paperwork for the parents and the hospital, whatever the mother said might be good enough.

[PowderMonkey]

"Hawaii wasn't as strict about these things as some other states.

Not sure what you base that on. Can you provide some specific examples? As stated, the term "African" in this context is a 21st century PC label. I understand that whatever the mother said might have been good enough, but it is highly unlikely a mother in the early 1960s would have used the term. I spent many years on the African continent, and discovered that the general term "African" is the equivalent of referring to New Yorkers as simply "North Americans." In the early 1960s, a man from newly independent Kenya might proudly proclaim himself as Kikuyu, or Wakamba, or Samburu, but not "African." Call an Ethiopian an "African" and you'll receive a stern rebuke. Ethiopians do not perceive themselves as "Africans."

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

You bring up a good point — the political aspect. BO’s stonewalling makes the Birth Certificate matter alone reason enough for someone to conclude that voting for him would be irresponsible. As vigilant citizens, we are each required to vote Constitutionally. If we are not convinced that he is a citizen, then we cannot vote for him. It’s an ‘honor thing’.

So, holding off to this late hour before blasting is like giving him enough rope to trip himself up in. But NOW is the time.

[x]

Not sure what you base that on. Can you provide some specific examples?

For one thing, they didn't have segregated facilities as some states still did in the early Sixties. Also, the federal racial classifications for affirmative action hadn't yet been imposed. In the 1940s and 1950s, "race" in Hawaii could be Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, Hawaiian, part-Hawaiian, Korean, Portuguese, Puerto Rican, Caucasian, Mixed, or "Local." It wouldn't be a stretch to include "African" in the mix.

In the early 1960s, a man from newly independent Kenya might proudly proclaim himself as Kikuyu, or Wakamba, or Samburu, but not "African."

But Luo or Kikuyu wouldn't have meant much in Hawaii in 1961. Neither did Kenyan, since the country didn't become independent for another two years. Kenya Colony had been established in 1920. Before that it was still British East Africa, and some people may still have known the colony by that name.

However an African thought of yourself in the village, that wasn't how he or she would appear to Westerners. Just you'd probably say that you were originally from America or Ohio, rather than from Shaker Heights if you were living in Tibet, it wouldn't make much sense to insist on Luo in Hawaii.

Say you were Obama's mother in 1961. You weren't going to bother with Luo, or Kikuyu, or Wakamba which would mean nothing to other Americans. "Arab" certainly didn't describe your child's father either. "Negro" or "colored" meant those people down South. You might sympathize with them, but you might not want to think of your child in that way, since the label would be a burden.

So best to think of your baby's father as "African," which after all, wasn't a label invented in recent years (like Afro-American or African-American), but a designation which went pretty far back in history to refer to inhabitants of that continent.

If the person filling out the form didn't object, that would stand. Bear in mind, that official government statistics and papers intended for the family and hospital didn't need to have the same information. The latter papers would be less strict about such things.

Of course, it's entirely possible that original certificate did read "Negro" and that it had been changed by someone since then. It's just that seeing "African" in that blank isn't in itself strong evidence that a change was made.