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CA: Tom McClintock on the Propositions
Tom McClintock Website ^ | October 18th, 2008 | Tom McClintock

Posted on 10/20/2008 8:53:46 PM PDT by calcowgirl

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To: calcowgirl; All
Thanks for posting it here.

In addition to Prop 4, I also ended up with YES on 6 (no bail for illegals plus we badly need a new prison, not early releases) and 12 (successfully self-funded for 85 years).

I'll listen to today's Prop 11 debate on Roger Hedgecock's afternoon show before marking my ballot. Roger and Tom are both for Prop 11 but as you pointed out elsewhere there are a number of questionable folks also in favor.

61 posted on 10/21/2008 8:08:58 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: YES on PROP 4. *** MCCAIN-PALIN ***)
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To: All; rivercat
We don't grow veal cattle in CA so that's a fake issue. Prop 2 will mostly be about egg-laying hens.

A YES on 2 will make our CA locally produced eggs less competitive against out of state and, more worrisome, Mexican eggs which aren't captive to these regulations. We use more eggs than any other state but almost half are already imported due to high demand.

Prop 2 exempts county fairs and 4H but *not* FFA (Future Farmers of America) school programs.

This is a feel good measure that Europe is adopting on an even longer timeline. We have free range eggs for those who want them although they cost about 50% more. Finally, the caged hens live longer, healthier lives than their free range cousins.

To accommodate the new regulations one San Diego County egg farm will need an additional 200 acres for all the oversized cages. That's not inexpensive.

62 posted on 10/21/2008 8:20:05 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: YES on PROP 4. *** MCCAIN-PALIN ***)
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To: Yaelle; Mjaye
Prop 2 ping to Post 62
63 posted on 10/21/2008 8:21:45 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: YES on PROP 4. *** MCCAIN-PALIN ***)
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To: papasmurf
Please, Lord, more than anything, please let Prop 4 pass.

Amen.

64 posted on 10/21/2008 8:27:46 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: YES on PROP 4. *** MCCAIN-PALIN ***)
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To: calcowgirl
Thanks for the info! I was looking for a conservative voter guide to the initiatives.
65 posted on 10/21/2008 8:30:44 AM PDT by stillonaroll (McCain/Palin 2008!)
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To: All
For those interesting, here are Roger Hedgecock's prop picks:

STATE PROPS

PROP 1A - NO - HIGH SPEED RAIL - No new debt
PROP 2 - NO - TREATMENT OF FARM ANIMALS - Farmers need healthy animals - they don't mistreat them
PROP 3 - NO - CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL BOND ACT ($980,000,000) - No new debt
PROP 4 - YES - PARENTAL NOTIFICATION BEFORE ABORTION - The family first
PROP 5 - NO - NONVIOLENT OFFENDERS REHAB - "Drug dealers bill of rights"
PROP 6 - NO - NEW CRIME FUNDING - No evidence "law enforcement," needs a guaranteed minimum - this is the job of the legislature
PROP 7 - NO - RENEWABLE ENERGY MANDATES - Alternative energy yes, alternative energy monopolies no
PROP 8 - YES - PROTECTION OF MARRIAGE - Traditional marriage is the cornerstone of a successful society.
PROP 9 - NO - CRIME VICTIM RIGHTS - Victim's rights are already the law - this prop would require victim restitution in every case. 
PROP 10 - NO - RENEWABLE ENERGY - ALT. FUEL VEHICLES ETC - BOND ISSUE (5-billion) - No new bond debt
PROP 11 - YES - REDISTRICTING - To restore democracy in California, we need competitive districts and competitive elections.
PROP 12 - NO - VETERANS BOND ACT ($900,000,000) - No new bond debt

66 posted on 10/21/2008 8:35:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: YES on PROP 4. *** MCCAIN-PALIN ***)
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To: sandyeggo
I’m surprised about his choice for Prop. 11. While I usually go with Tom McClintock, a proponent of Prop 11. is the ACLU. I have more study to do, but that’s a deal-breaker at the moment.

Under current law, the DemonRats in the legislature in Sacto have complete control over drawing their own district lines after the next census. If the next governor is also a DemonRat, then it is 100% certain that they will control the state legislature for next ten years, and that the voting districts will remain non-competitive.

Other than electing a Republican as the next governor, which appears very unlikely, Prop. 11 is the only way to prevent another 10 years of DemonRat control in Sacramento.

67 posted on 10/21/2008 8:39:24 AM PDT by stillonaroll (McCain/Palin 2008!)
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To: calcowgirl
If you are against Prop. 11, I urge you to reconsider. ANY change would be better than the current system, where the DemonRats are guaranteed of keeping power in the legislature Sacramento for another ten years.
68 posted on 10/21/2008 8:49:21 AM PDT by stillonaroll (McCain/Palin 2008!)
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To: newzjunkey

I got a lot of responses to Prop 2, against my voting yes on it.

You guys are making me really torn on the issue, but I am taking it almost as a religious steward of the earth thing. I just read “An Omnivore’s Dilemma.” So I may just have to put my yes down on this measure. You all make great economic sense.


69 posted on 10/21/2008 10:04:29 AM PDT by Yaelle (One candidate fought America's enemies and one candidate owes all he has to America's enemies)
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To: Kevmo
can you please add me to the McClintock ping list?

Done!

70 posted on 10/21/2008 3:54:41 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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