Posted on 10/07/2008 9:42:16 PM PDT by andrew roman
Two words kept popping in and out of my head during the second Presidential debate between Barack Obama and John McCain – disappointing and tedious. Setting aside the fact that the proceedings seemed to drag and on at an agonizingly tortuous pace with little more than eye-watering yawns from my end to disrupt the monotony, this debate had the personality of a lima bean can. Add to it the fact that there seemed to be more passion exuded by Tom Brokaw, the moderator, when asking the candidates to step aside from blocking his view of the teleprompter than anything either of them said on stage, and you’ve got a first-class, bona-fide dud.
Specifically – and perhaps most important – tonight’s “non-debate” debate was not, to quote a phrase, a “game changer” from Senator McCain – and frankly, I was hoping it would be. While I certainly don’t think Senator Obama as the next President of the United States is a foregone conclusion yet, he clearly took another step closer to the Oval Office on Tuesday. If the poll numbers are to be believed, neither candidate will do much in the way of movement as a result of this debate. In short, it was not a great night for the Republicans – and it really needed to be.
There was one moment, I would have to assume, meant to serve as that “game changer” for Senator McCain early in the debate – a grenade lobbed in from left field that, honestly, stunned me and fell well short of its intended target (at least for now). McCain, seemingly from whole cloth, said that when he is President, the federal government would help stabilize the housing market by buying up bad mortgages and refinancing them for home owners at market value – to the tune of $300 billion.
What?
I’ll need more information on that one before I blow a bazooka through it.
My frustration with this particular presentation was that I found myself disenchanted on two fronts. First, early in the debate, I found myself screaming at the television even more so than I had during their first debate, probably because I was yelling at both Obama and McCain, and often for the same things. It seemed to me, primarily, that they were differing on the finer points of similarly held positions.
Despite an all-too-quick and truncated attack by McCain on the Democratic involvement in the current financial crisis – which, by the way, started off promisingly enough and had me thinking this was going to be a feisty performance by him - there was yet again more McCain pandering with fuzzy-middle non-speak about corruption on Wall Street, blah, blah, blah …
Huge mistake.
Entirely too much time was spent on selling bi-partisanship and extending arms across the aisle. It came across as weak and contrived and surely did nothing to endear McCain to anyone.
Second, the number of missed opportunities by McCain to slap back hard at Senator Obama was staggering. My slowly building disgust was fuelled not only by the lack of substance coming from the lips of Senator Obama – which is a given - but in the fact that Senator McCain was profoundly ineffective in countering him as I wanted him to be – and as I felt he needed to be to turn the tide.
Perhaps I’m in a minority here, but I am sick of listening to Senator Obama and the Democratic Party demonize those who provide jobs to a large portion of the American public. I am also annoyed that no one – especially Senator McCain – calls out Senator Obama and his ridiculous assertion that 95% of Americans will get a tax cut under his “save the middle class” tax plan. How on earth is it possible to get a tax cut when you don’t pay income taxes? A little more than 45% of Americans do not – repeat, do not – pay income tax. That means Senator Obama’s “tax breaks” will amount to a welfare payment to those who don’t deserve it.
Senator McCain, are you home?
Can someone also inform Senator Obama that to raise taxes on corporations, as he wants to do and says is somehow “fair,” results in customers and workers bearing the ultimate burden?
I know you’re in there, Senator McCain! Can someone (figuratively only) just slap Senator Obama across the kisser – or anyone else for that matter – who has the utter audacity to call the attacks of 9/11 a "tragedy?" They were an act of war. Period.
This must anger you, Senator McCain! Show it!
Is there anyone with even a remedial knowledge of how budgets work willing to spare an afternoon (or perhaps a weekend) with Senator Obama to explain to him that the ten billion dollars a month being spent on funding the war in Iraq is not – repeat not – being taken away from anyone or anything domestically? It is not being diverted from, say, emergency food and clothing needed for naked, emaciated children in our inner cities. That’s not how it works, Senator Obama.
Answer the door, Senator McCain! The bottom line is … John McCain wasn’t horrifically bad. True, he had me biting my bottom lip when he went on about the conspicuousness of global warming; He had me shaking my head when he once again hoisted his arrows at the “greed” of Wall Street; He induced stomach gurgles when he kept reminding us how much of a maverick he is, pulling names like Feingold and Kennedy out of his hat. (I kept a bottle of Tums next to my cream soda as I watched).
However, let me say, without reservation, that substantively, Senator McCain was the clear winner of this debate. The problem was … he just wasn’t as good as he should have been … and frankly, could have been.
It’s not over by any means … I just wanted more of a “Hell yeah!” taste in my mouth at the end of that day.
I walked away with an “Uh, okay.”
Here’s a thought that’s crossed my mind - what would happen, given that Obama is elected, were someone to assasinate him? I believe that this would result in an internal war in this country that would destroy our nation. Could there be forces out there that want that very thing? Forces that are working extremely hard to get this man elected just so that scenereo can unfold? Where is all of his campaign contributions coming from? Who helped this nobody from Chicago, from Hawaii, from Indonesia (who was raised in a very poor environment and could not afford the Harvard education - or the private K-12 education that this man had - rise to where he is today? Why is noone asking these questions about this man and where he came from? Who is the power behind him, and what is the intent of putting this man in the highest office in the world? I don’t know about other’s, but the future frightens me.
Spot ON!
See post 58.
Again....MCCain didnt counter punch. BO slams him with the 300 billion corporation tax cut....just like before,,,and JM didnt say a thing! WTH? Come on JM....say it is good! It will stimulate invetment in plant machinery and equipment....jobs...and more revenue back to the treasury!
I agree with you on the issues, but we have to ask why our candidates did not make it during the primaries. For me there really wasn’t a complete conservative candidate in the race. Why? Because he was destroyed by the MSM. Who? George Allen.
I think that your scenario is just a tad overboard. I think the real reason Obama has "risen" to the top is that his quality to be easily bought was recognized early. He has been bought and paid for and will perform on command. A very small investment for potential very large return on that investment.
Every single one of your posts on this forum lately is ant-McCain and you have stated that you are NOT voting for him.
Do the rest of us a favor, GO AWAY until after the election, we’ll win without your vote and without you trolling here to depress the conservative vote. I don’t care who you are you are trolling dissent.
Well, yesterday it may have been a few ilegals in your town, but if its tomorrobama it WILL BE TERRORISTs IN YOUR AND MY BACK YARD AND NO NATIONAL DEFENSE WILL DO A THING ABOUT IT AT HOME OR ABROAD. You decide for your yard but do not impose YOUR LETHARGY on mine. Commit to America (dare I say, coward) or loose your FREEDOM.
Perhaps it’s overboard. But, I can’t discount the possibility that there are people in the world who are devious enough to either be pulling his strings to these ends, or would make an attempt on his life to try and ignite a firestorm in this country even if they have nothing to do with his campaign. If someone like Bin Laden wanted to really hurt this country, taking out Obama if he’s elected could do it.
You’ve got a smart son, there. Keep him!
Obama reinforced his image as an elitist, arrogant empty suit. He masterfully dodged displaying anything about himself or what he will actually do (with the help of Brokaw and McCain). His rudeness and lack of respect for the rules were the only things that came through for him.
McCain did not hurt himself but also didn't do anything to help himself. His pandering to the middle and middle-left was painfully obvious and most likely didn't help to sway too many undecideds.
McCain won the battle but will lose the war unless he and the RNC can get Obamas' character front and center with the undecideds in the last couple of weeks.
No, I’m afraid the people who don’t realize what a mess this economy is in are stuck on stupid. When the houseing market died it started the long slide we are experienceing. Until it’s stabilized we are in deep poop... and it will cost us all a lot more than $300 billion.
I’m still mulling around in my mind how or why they didn’t mention it, however. Maybe Hannity did on H and C.
HEY! QUIT SCREAMING IN ALLLLL CAPS< OK!!?? ;-)
Thanks. I’ll let him know you said this.
DRUDGE debate POLL. McCain’s in the lead.
http://drudgereport.com/
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
MCCAIN
64% 94,991 OBAMA
32% 47,193 NEITHER
4% 5,278
Total Votes: 147,462
Were you one of the let the democrats win in 2006? That worked out well (not)
Some people think that conservative principles are an all or nothing deal. Here in Canada we also have an election and our Prime Minister, who is conservative, is taking flak from conservative purists for some of his middle of the road policies.But without those he just cannot get into power to implement any conservative policies that will improve things and get a general consensus of the people behind him to keep moving the conservative agenda forward. I see the race in the US in the same way: McCain is not the best conservative but he is fighting the extreme left and right now all we (all conservatives) can hope for is that he holds the ground.Sarah Palin is in the rear for the next offensive (2012?) but for that to happen Mccain has to hold.
May God bless both our countries with conservative governments.
Bush's remarks were about going about our normal lives.
Brokaw yelled at them after the debate cuz they were blocking his teleprompter which was stupidly in the wall behind the debaters. Brokaw was pms’n all evening.
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