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TWO HOURS LATER - MCCAIN VS OBAMA II - IMPRESSIONS
Townhall.com ^ | 8 October 2008 | Andrew Roman

Posted on 10/07/2008 9:42:16 PM PDT by andrew roman

Two words kept popping in and out of my head during the second Presidential debate between Barack Obama and John McCain – disappointing and tedious. Setting aside the fact that the proceedings seemed to drag and on at an agonizingly tortuous pace with little more than eye-watering yawns from my end to disrupt the monotony, this debate had the personality of a lima bean can. Add to it the fact that there seemed to be more passion exuded by Tom Brokaw, the moderator, when asking the candidates to step aside from blocking his view of the teleprompter than anything either of them said on stage, and you’ve got a first-class, bona-fide dud.

Specifically – and perhaps most important – tonight’s “non-debate” debate was not, to quote a phrase, a “game changer” from Senator McCain – and frankly, I was hoping it would be. While I certainly don’t think Senator Obama as the next President of the United States is a foregone conclusion yet, he clearly took another step closer to the Oval Office on Tuesday. If the poll numbers are to be believed, neither candidate will do much in the way of movement as a result of this debate. In short, it was not a great night for the Republicans – and it really needed to be.

There was one moment, I would have to assume, meant to serve as that “game changer” for Senator McCain early in the debate – a grenade lobbed in from left field that, honestly, stunned me and fell well short of its intended target (at least for now). McCain, seemingly from whole cloth, said that when he is President, the federal government would help stabilize the housing market by buying up bad mortgages and refinancing them for home owners at market value – to the tune of $300 billion.

What?

I’ll need more information on that one before I blow a bazooka through it.

My frustration with this particular presentation was that I found myself disenchanted on two fronts. First, early in the debate, I found myself screaming at the television even more so than I had during their first debate, probably because I was yelling at both Obama and McCain, and often for the same things. It seemed to me, primarily, that they were differing on the finer points of similarly held positions.

Despite an all-too-quick and truncated attack by McCain on the Democratic involvement in the current financial crisis – which, by the way, started off promisingly enough and had me thinking this was going to be a feisty performance by him - there was yet again more McCain pandering with fuzzy-middle non-speak about corruption on Wall Street, blah, blah, blah …

Huge mistake.

Entirely too much time was spent on selling bi-partisanship and extending arms across the aisle. It came across as weak and contrived and surely did nothing to endear McCain to anyone.

Second, the number of missed opportunities by McCain to slap back hard at Senator Obama was staggering. My slowly building disgust was fuelled not only by the lack of substance coming from the lips of Senator Obama – which is a given - but in the fact that Senator McCain was profoundly ineffective in countering him as I wanted him to be – and as I felt he needed to be to turn the tide.

Perhaps I’m in a minority here, but I am sick of listening to Senator Obama and the Democratic Party demonize those who provide jobs to a large portion of the American public. I am also annoyed that no one – especially Senator McCain – calls out Senator Obama and his ridiculous assertion that 95% of Americans will get a tax cut under his “save the middle class” tax plan. How on earth is it possible to get a tax cut when you don’t pay income taxes? A little more than 45% of Americans do not – repeat, do not – pay income tax. That means Senator Obama’s “tax breaks” will amount to a welfare payment to those who don’t deserve it.

Senator McCain, are you home?

Can someone also inform Senator Obama that to raise taxes on corporations, as he wants to do and says is somehow “fair,” results in customers and workers bearing the ultimate burden?

I know you’re in there, Senator McCain! Can someone (figuratively only) just slap Senator Obama across the kisser – or anyone else for that matter – who has the utter audacity to call the attacks of 9/11 a "tragedy?" They were an act of war. Period.

This must anger you, Senator McCain! Show it!

Is there anyone with even a remedial knowledge of how budgets work willing to spare an afternoon (or perhaps a weekend) with Senator Obama to explain to him that the ten billion dollars a month being spent on funding the war in Iraq is not – repeat not – being taken away from anyone or anything domestically? It is not being diverted from, say, emergency food and clothing needed for naked, emaciated children in our inner cities. That’s not how it works, Senator Obama.

Answer the door, Senator McCain! The bottom line is … John McCain wasn’t horrifically bad. True, he had me biting my bottom lip when he went on about the conspicuousness of global warming; He had me shaking my head when he once again hoisted his arrows at the “greed” of Wall Street; He induced stomach gurgles when he kept reminding us how much of a maverick he is, pulling names like Feingold and Kennedy out of his hat. (I kept a bottle of Tums next to my cream soda as I watched).

However, let me say, without reservation, that substantively, Senator McCain was the clear winner of this debate. The problem was … he just wasn’t as good as he should have been … and frankly, could have been.

It’s not over by any means … I just wanted more of a “Hell yeah!” taste in my mouth at the end of that day.

I walked away with an “Uh, okay.”


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To: SoldierDad
Google the "The Cloward-Piven Strategy" (1966) socialist methodology of manufactured crisis used to overtake a country for marxist agenda. Disturbing read.

The Obama-Islam connection:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/obama-islam-and.html
101 posted on 10/07/2008 10:55:36 PM PDT by wubjo (nObama)
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To: northernlightsII

One of my colleagues at the Middle School I work at as a School Psychologist made a great comment regarding McCain and those who think they must wait for a “perfect” candidate before they will vote - “Jesus Christ has not yet returned”. Until then we must choose the “best” candidate that is on the ballot. Not a “perfect” candidate, but the one who best reflects the values that the majority believes in. May God provide both our countries with leaders with integrity and courage.


102 posted on 10/07/2008 10:58:03 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier, and enthusiastic supporter of McCain/Palin)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

got it, but tokyo is a long way away, ya think?


103 posted on 10/07/2008 10:58:48 PM PDT by wubjo (nObama)
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To: andrew roman
I had to turn it off, after only about 8 to 10 minutes...

I was horrified by the incompetency of both.

104 posted on 10/07/2008 11:02:44 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Dallas59; NautiNurse

Obama is stupid if he thinks that asthma is so treatable that ER visits are unnecessary. Asthma patients, children and adults have to go to the ER if they can’t breathe. How’s he going to make sure asthma attacks only occur during office hours? Obama keeps harping on children w/asthma.


105 posted on 10/07/2008 11:03:45 PM PDT by floriduh voter (A case study against smoking crack - Barack Obama.)
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To: SoldierDad

I have been wondering this very thought for a while. It makes absolutely zero sense that anyone in his right mind would support this Marxist other than someone pulling the strings to bring down America.

By the same token, after tonight’s performance, McCain seems hell bent on bringing down America as well, just in a different manner.

Granted, I am depressed after tonight’s incredibly poor performance by McCain, but America’s future seems dismal either way.


106 posted on 10/07/2008 11:05:59 PM PDT by publana (Socialism is here to stay unless Communism wins the day.)
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To: conservativepoet

Obama is a circle talking subject shifter. There is a transcript at www.worldnetdaily.com. He’s a ramblin’ effeminate marxist.


107 posted on 10/07/2008 11:08:40 PM PDT by floriduh voter (A case study against smoking crack - Barack Obama.)
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To: Texas4ever

Did Corsi get out of Kenya yet? Now he can do expose’ on his experience in Kenya.


108 posted on 10/07/2008 11:10:06 PM PDT by floriduh voter (A case study against smoking crack - Barack Obama.)
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To: andrew roman

Put Obama’s rambling answer about Israel and Iran on a loop and listen to it over and over until you are forced to punch yourself in the face.


109 posted on 10/07/2008 11:10:11 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (Welcome home, former McCain haters and rageaholics!)
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To: publana

I hold to my faith in God to keep my spirits up. No matter what people do, He remains true to His Word.


110 posted on 10/07/2008 11:11:13 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier, and enthusiastic supporter of McCain/Palin)
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To: floriduh voter

Yes, today and going to England I believe. He was gathering more information I believe. I read an article that said he did obtain some new information. Whether they confiscated everything I dont know...

Just the fact he was detained is pretty damming.


111 posted on 10/07/2008 11:11:28 PM PDT by Texas4ever ( Who is the real Obama?)
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To: Reagan Man

I thought McCain did much better than last time. He didn’t kill him with Ayers though, that I guess, is for the last debate, if needed.


112 posted on 10/07/2008 11:11:38 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Sunnyflorida

> What is frightening are the number of people around here
> that think as long as you are pro-life and pro-gun you
> are not a socialist

I’ll take the pro-gun, pro-life socialist navy pilot over the anti-gun, pro-abort Marxist community activist with terrorists, cop killers, and bank robbers for friends.

Gotta cut your losses.

Consider the list of foreign tyrants, dictators, and rogues that want to see Obama elected.

Consider that they also LOATHE McCain.

Think about why that is.


113 posted on 10/07/2008 11:13:26 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: SoldierDad

I like your approach. Indeed integrity and courage will be essential to see us through these difficult times. And I believe that senator Mccain does indeed possess these qualities.Our Prime Minister Stephen Harper is much younger and has been less tested then Mccain but so far he has acquitted himself very well despite the continuous vile attacks of our media.And Canada does not have a Fox news or talk radio to counterbalance the extreme left.Forums like FR are the only things that keep canadian conservatives from despairing.


114 posted on 10/07/2008 11:13:45 PM PDT by northernlightsII
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To: publana

Wah! WAh! Come on, really, if we keep the faith, get out the right vote and press on; better days lie ahead. Since when did we Americans sit a simply mope, pull your self up, where’s your American spirit. You certainly are not interested in handing the country over to socialist/communists. Put your white flag away, get out the stars and stripes and fight for something worthwile, YOUR FREEDOM! That’s how your country was established and its your and my job to keep it that way for our generations. Get off your duff and out of your pity party. Fight, Fight, Fight!


115 posted on 10/07/2008 11:14:12 PM PDT by wubjo (nObama)
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To: Norman Bates

ABC News’ Rick Klein: “[M]cCain is roaming the stage, playing to his strength. And comes out with a policy proposal to help people stay in their homes — a strong lead answer, to have a meaty response to that. McCain looks confident early.” (Rick Klein, “Live Debate Blog,” ABC News’ “Live Debate Blog,” blogs.abcnews.com, 10/7/08)

The New York Times’ Katharine Q. Seelye: “Mr. McCain is developing a chatty rapport with Mr. Brokaw about the candidates exceeding their time limits. He seems relaxed, as if he knows he is making a connection on a personal level. He roams the stage. Mr. Obama, who once stood in front of classes as a college professor, stands still while delivering his answers, and this one on health care sounds more like a lecture.” (Katharine Q. Seelye, “McCain Warms To The Setting,” The New York Times’ “The Caucus” Blog, thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com, 10/7/08)

The Politico’s Jonathan Martin: “McCain, taking a question from a naval retiree, gives him a pat on the shoulder and a firm handshake. ‘Everything I ever learned about leadership, I learned from a chief petty officer,’ says one old sailor to another. It was surely a moment that won a lot of nodding heads from vets all over the country.” (Jonathan Martin, “Vets And Servicemembers Had To Love This Moment,” The Politico’s “Jonathan Martin” Blog, www.politico.com, 10/7/08)

* Martin: “McCain unveils a new pork-barrel project to be condemned: an overhead projector for a planetarium in Chicago that was included in Obama’s earmarks.” (Jonathan Martin, “The New Bears In Montana!!!” The Politico’s “Jonathan Martin” Blog, www.politico.com, 10/7/08)

* Martin: “A strong close by the GOPer with: ‘We can’t afford somebody who needs on the job training, my friend.’” (Jonathan Martin, “McCain In Comfort Zone On National Security,” The Politico’s “Jonathan Martin” Blog, www.politico.com, 10/7/08)

* Martin: “Right at the outset, [McCain] offers empathy: ‘Americans are angry, they’re upset, and they’re a little fearful.’” (Jonathan Martin, “McCain’s ‘I Feel Your Pain’ Moment,” The Politico’s “Jonathan Martin” Blog, www.politico.com, 10/7/08)

CNN’s Candy Crowley: “McCain seemed to answer first question [on a rescuing main street] better.” (Candy Crowley, “How Tough Is Too Tough?” CNN’s “Political Ticker” Blog, politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com, 10/7/08)

CNN’s Bill Schneider: “That’s a pretty fundamental question should there be for profit health care? Obama’s answer...he’s not answering the question.” (Bill Schneider, “Obama Not Answering The Question,” CNN’s “Political Ticker” Blog, www.cnn.com, 10/7/08)

* Schneider: “McCain’s tone is better at talking to the audience...” (Bill Schneider, “Are The Candidates Relating To The Audience,” CNN’s politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com, 10/7/08)

MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan: “I think McCain did come in with more heart and more fight. And I agree with you, he was the aggressor. He was throwing the punches. He did it in a better way than he did it last week when I thought he had won on points. Here he smiled. He looked at his opponent. He looked at Tom Brokaw. He talked to the audience, and he did it in a more calm fashion. And I think he clearly scored more points than Barack Obama did.” (MSNBC, 10/7/08)

National Review’s Lisa Schiffren: “Is it necessary to explain the basics? McCain is doing really well with the audience in the room by doing so. Does it translate to the TV audience? McCain is really sounding clear, energetic and firm.” (Lisa Schiffren, “Talking Down To The Audience,” National Review’s “The Corner” Blog, corner.nationalreview.com, 10/7/08)

Commentary’s John Podhoretz: “This is McCain’s mantra. I know how. I know how. Here’s what I will do.” (John Podhoretz, “I Know How To Do That,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog, www.commentarymagazine.com, 10/7/08)

Commentary’s Daniel Casse: “[M]cCain is delivering tight, crisp, and extremely effective answers. Every answer has a similar structure: (a) I care about this issue (b) I’ve stood up against Bush/special interests on this issue (c) Obama has never taken a stand, never acted on this (d) so let’s compare records.” (Daniel Casse, “McCain’s Well-Structured Answers,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog, www.commentarymagazine.com, 10/7/08)

CNN’s David Gergen: “I thought John McCain was more effective than he was last time on domestic policy. I thought his answers in general were more organized and he made his points more effectively.” (CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360,” 10/7/08)

Fox News’ Charles Krauthammer: “McCain won the first hour on domestic (issues).” (Fox News’ “Presidential Debate,” 10/7/08)

ABC’s George Stephanopoulos: “I thought Senator McCain started out very strong when he said we have to address this financial crisis by having a plan to buy up all of the bad mortgages in the country showed real compassion and empathy there...” (ABC’s “The Candidates Debate,” 10/7/08)

* Stephanopoulos: “I was also struck in the way that both candidates handled the stage tonight ... As we know Senator McCain wanted these town hall meetings all year long against Senator Obama. He made a crack against that. He is comfortable in this setting.” (ABC’s “The Candidates Debate,” 10/7/08)

ABC’s Charlie Gibson: “I do think if there was any new proposal in the debate, it was what John McCain said about buying up the struggling home loan mortgages and renegotiate them at a new value, have the government do that.” (ABC’s “The Candidates Debate,” 10/7/08)

The Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “Nice moment for McCain: he claps a man (Terry Scherry) who asks about Iran on the shoulder and they shake hands.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Nashville Skyline Debate,” The Washington Post’s “The Fix” Blog, www.washingtonpost.com, 10/7/08)

NBC’s Chuck Todd: “[M]cCain did get stronger, I think, as the night went on. When it turned to foreign policy, you can see his comfort zone and you could see him getting more comfortable “ (NBC’s “Presidential Debate Coverage,” 10/7/08)

NBC’s Andrea Mitchell: “I think he was very comfortable in the format ... McCain was walking around approaching some of the questioners. Thanking them. Actually coming quite close to them. ... And as Chuck has pointed out, with the economy in such a tail spin, he came armed with a new proposal to have the government buy up failing mortgages ... That was a gutsy move.” (NBC’s “Presidential Debate Coverage,” 10/7/08)

The Politico’s Ben Smith: “Really, the first of the night. McCain takes a question from a Navy veteran. ‘Everything I ever learned about leadership, I learned from chief petty officer,’ he says, walking over to the man and patting his shoulder.” (Ben Smith, “A Connection,” The Politico’s “Ben Smith” Blog, www.politico.com, 10/7/08)

Commentary’s Jennifer Rubin: “On Afghanistan, Iraq and Russia McCain talks in action words what we will do, what will work and what our goals will be. Although he obviously wants to assure voters he will show restraint, his real strength is projecting a force of will and determination.” (Jennifer Rubin, “National Security,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog, www.commentarymagazine.com, 10/7/08)

National Review’s Mark Levin: “And he has shown more energy than usual. Obama is supposed to be the great orator (what happened to the messiah and the fainting?). The 72-year-old McCain has the upper-hand on the 47-year-old messiah, IMHO.” (Mark Levin, “In Defense Of McCain,” National Review’s “The Corner” Blog, corner.nationalreview.com, 10/7/08)

CNN’s Bill Bennett: “The last comments [John McCain] made, I thought, were quite impressive and quite moving.” (CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360,” 10/7/08)


116 posted on 10/07/2008 11:14:45 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: SoldierDad

Obama was hanging around Columbia University and some marxists there made arrangements for him to attend Harvard. He’s not a self made man. There’s a video on this but there are videos on everything. Try to research Obama at Columbia sometime if you are interested and that’s when the grooming began. muzzies picked him. There are tv interviews...


117 posted on 10/07/2008 11:15:07 PM PDT by floriduh voter (A case study against smoking crack - Barack Obama.)
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To: floriduh voter

While you may be correct regarding those who “helped” Obama at Columbia, you forget about the “Private” schooling he received as a youth living with a mother and grandparents that were of little means. Who was “helping” them afford the prestigious schools he attended as a child?


118 posted on 10/07/2008 11:19:37 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier, and enthusiastic supporter of McCain/Palin)
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To: wubjo

yes. to take down the US: 1. make a crisis 2. call for change and also voter fraud, mayhem in the streets. The commies can’t believe how easy it’s been to get this far in the U.S. (another lecture shut down by youtube but is at a different url).


119 posted on 10/07/2008 11:19:55 PM PDT by floriduh voter (A case study against smoking crack - Barack Obama.)
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To: TomasUSMC

Ayers’ wife is quite an agitator in her own right. Loved what Manson’s cult did. They babysat Obama’s children. He doesn’t know them though...


120 posted on 10/07/2008 11:22:50 PM PDT by floriduh voter (A case study against smoking crack - Barack Obama.)
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