Publicly educated were we?
;-)
INGSOC => English Socialism. From Nineteen Eighty Four
Posted on 09/19/2008 6:18:04 AM PDT by NucSubs
This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to go libertarian. I cannot believe more has not been written about this. Is this Soviet Russia? INSOC?
We need to de-militarize the cops and end the "war on drugs".
Uhmm...that’s INGSOC.
*Sigh* I really need to take a typing class.
You would think with all this high powered insanity that cops would be able to mow down real criminals who actually commit real crimes.
when the police get it wrong they really get it wrong
These raids seem entirely incompatible with the 2nd Amendment.
Ever since the so-called War On Drugs (WOD) — actually more like the War On The Bill of Rights) — began, our civilian cops have been undergoing MILITARY training. The “authorities” gentle it down with the prefix “Para” but those “dynamic entry” teams would be more at home in Baghdad than Boston. (Well, unless they hit John Kerry’s front door at 3 am, Boston might not be a good example.) Watch “Dallas SWAT” for a dose of how it works.
I have long thought that that sort of activity within the ranks of otherwise “civilian” law enforcement was a push by those with an agenda to bypass posse comitatus for purposes BEYOND the WOD and other currently criminal behavior.
That the mass of that shrinking minority – the American citizen (thank you Mr. Open Borders Bush!) – has NOT objected to this erosion of personal liberty does NOT bode well for the future of freedom here.
I wonder what sort of body count of innocent grandmothers and others it will take before folks begin to grasp that they might be more at risk from the cops than the criminals and bring the situation back under control?
My Uncle Bob (R.I.P.) would be horrified.
My Uncle Bob was a 30 year veteran of a police force in suburban Cleveland. He was best man at my wedding 45 years ago. He served in an era when MOST cops embodied the now frequently hollow motto emblazoned on police units all over this country: “TO PROTECT AND SERVE.”
The last 10 years of his career were spent as the chief Juvenile Detective in his department. When he died, a number of the young men whose lives he had touched years before came forward to tell how his timely and sometimes tough-love intervention turned them around.
I know that many officers STILL try to live that creed today. I also know that there are officers out there who, despite the rulings by the Supremes that they have no obligation to specific, individual citizens (see Warren v. DC for some fascinating and frightening reading on that), would stand between one of us and a bullet – and have.
Having said that, I must also lament that SOME cops are “cowboys.” Too many are simply power driven megalomaniacs who would have dropped on the OTHER side of the law had their lives drifted a degree or two off the course they did take.
I believe this to be especially true of far too many federal law enforcement types who have allowed their egos and hubris to become as bloated as the bureaucratic federal behemoth they serve. (See footnote below). Their mandate is no longer to “…protect and serve” the citizens who pay their salaries: It is to crush any meaningful resistance to a growing body of procedures, regulations and policies – too frequently enforced under severely tortured interpretations of the underlying legislative enactments (if any) – and often put in place by executive fiat. The massively abused SEIZURE statutes – laws the author of which now seeks to RESCIND! — spring to mind.
And one cannot but help to wonder how the clear to anyone with half a brain criminality of the Clintons – and their subsequent avoidance of any penalty – has played into the problem? There now seems to be a bright line between the easy, highly flexible, slap-on-the-wrist law for the rich and powerful and the rigidly enforced law against even the tiniest victimless “crimes” committed by those of us further down the food chain. Does anyone in his right mind believe THAT will NOT engender added disrespect for ALL law?
Could those things be a large part of the problem in some of the highly disturbing – and DEADLY (on BOTH sides) – confrontations we have witnessed over the past decade or so? Gordon Kahl, Ruby Ridge, OK City, Waco, Beck… This list WILL lengthen and we’d all better pray that WE will be spared.
Roman historian Tacitus warned that one could tell the level of corruption in a society by the NUMBER of its laws. Anyone doubt the level of corruption here?
Am I the only one who thinks we’re long overdue a serious review of the NUMBERS of laws under which we are now forced to exist – and which are increasingly used not to assure our safety or well-being, but to COMMAND AND CONTROL us and KEEP US IN LINE.
Only the most tyrannical and power-crazed members of law enforcement could possibly object to that.
The modern counterparts of my uncle would not object.
It is THEY, after all, who are most likely to catch that bullet – probably fired by someone who has symbolically screamed to himself “I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE” — referred to earlier when they sally forth to serve that flimsy warrant or make that bogus arrest.
Dick Bachert (1999) Updated 11/2006
FOOTNOTE:
At a cocktail party back in the late 80’s, I struck up a chat with a fellow — his name was Joe M. — whom I’d met on one or two previous events. After my first encounter, Joe’s neighbor and my boss at the time told me that Joe was an alcoholic who had just retired from 25 years with the IRS. Needless to say, I was guarded in expressing my political views to Joe as the IRS had helped my dad into an early grave in 1977 — at age 59 over an estate matter. Joe was pretty deep into his cups at the function in question and began telling IRS “war stories.” Most had to do with clear cases of criminal conduct by not very nice people. Joe — who was a few years short of 60 — sounded to me like someone who enjoyed helping getting really bad people off the street and I asked why he’d retired early. He told me that what he called “the service” had changed for the worse. Then I asked him about the new people coming in. He shook his head, actually teared up and said that many of them were “really bad.” I pressed. “Really bad” meant incompetent? “No — DANGEROUS,” he responded “they like to hurt people.”
It was then that I think I understood why Joe drank.
Ok, I will bite - what is INGSOC?
“You would think with all this high powered insanity that cops would be able to mow down real criminals who actually commit real crimes.”
Yea, but criminals have rights. We victims have no rights.
I mentioned this raid to a local cop who was clearly uneasy about discussing it. I could tell he knew it was wrong but didn't want to say it.
Why did the dogs have to be shot? Well, because officer safety is most important. Maybe the dogs were freaking out. Gee, you suppose dogs might freak out if the door is busted in by alien-looking soldiers with weapons? Duh.
So why not just ring the doorbell and say they need to check the house? Because then the Mayor might have time to flush the evidence. Best to do a smash-and-grab and see if anybody acts guilty.
This is what such raids have come to; people are presumed guilty until they can beg to plead innocent. It does seem rather like the KGB.
INGSOC = ‘English Socialism’ in ‘Newspeak’ (from Orwell’s ‘1984’)
Publicly educated were we?
;-)
INGSOC => English Socialism. From Nineteen Eighty Four
Don't forget that most criminals also put up a fight.
LOL, in part, yes.
I did not have a “classic liberal education” - I studied other things.
Thank you.
Er...why is my image gone? We are not allowed to post images anymore? Did I miss a rule change or was I unknowingly violating one?
...what is INGSOC?
From the book “1984”. English Socialism, the political sytem in power.
Flush 32 lbs of pot? You’d need one hell of a toilet to do that very quickly.
I’d think the real question here is whether the desire to make a drug bust that might be foiled by the suspects destroying (usually by flusing it down the toilet) evidence justifies these kinds of tactics?
“Don’t forget that most criminals also put up a fight.”
And criminals are going to be the only ones with weapons.
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