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Obama, his Mentor Saul Alinsky, and what a "community Organizer" is.
The Spectator (UK) ^ | Tuesday, Sept 9, 2008 | Melanie Phillips

Posted on 09/09/2008 5:57:56 PM PDT by txzman

In her game-changing convention speech, Sarah Palin took a swipe at Obama for having been nothing more in his life than a ‘community organiser’.

This prompted the Obama campaign to issue a pained defence of community organisation as a way of promoting social change ‘from the bottom up’. The impression is that community organising is a worthy if woolly and ultimately ineffectual grassroots activity. This is to miss something of the greatest importance: that in the world of Barack Obama, community organisers are a key strategy in a different game altogether; and the name of that game is revolutionary Marxism.

The seditious role of the community organiser was developed by an extreme left intellectual called Saul Alinsky. He was a radical Chicago activist who, by the time he died in 1972, had had a profound influence on the highest levels of the Democratic party. Alinsky was a ‘transformational Marxist’ in the mould of Antonio Gramsci, who promoted the strategy of a ‘long march through the institutions’ by capturing the culture and turning it inside out as the most effective means of overturning western society. In similar vein, Alinsky condemned the New Left for alienating the general public by its demonstrations and outlandish appearance. The revolution had to be carried out through stealth and deception. Its proponents had to cultivate an image of centrism and pragmatism. A master of infiltration, Alinsky wooed Chicago mobsters and Wall Street financiers alike. And successive Democratic politicians fell under his spell.

His creed was set out in his book ‘Rules for Radicals’ – a book he dedicated to Lucifer, whom he called the ‘first radical’. It was Alinsky for whom ‘change’ was his mantra. And by ‘change’, he meant a Marxist revolution achieved by slow, incremental, Machiavellian means which turned society inside out. This had to be done through systematic deception, winning the trust of the naively idealistic middle class by using the language of morality to conceal an agenda designed to destroy it. And the way to do this, he said, was through ‘people’s organisations’.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008election; alinsky; chicago; demagogues; democrats; illinois; leftists; mccain; obama; obamabiden; socialism
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Read the rest. It won't shock (most) but it points to the poisoned roots of whence Obama comes.
1 posted on 09/09/2008 5:57:57 PM PDT by txzman
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2 posted on 09/09/2008 6:01:44 PM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: txzman

i knew when i saw melanie phillips’ name that this would be correct.


3 posted on 09/09/2008 6:03:53 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: The G Man

ManFishPig


4 posted on 09/09/2008 6:04:38 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Barack Obama has "Jumped the Pig".)
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To: ken21

she wrote “londonistan” which was published first in the u.s. because the brits wouldn’t touch it. later they relented.


5 posted on 09/09/2008 6:04:43 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: txzman

Ping.

Excellent article; more informative than Malkin’s article at NRO. Really should be required reading for every moderate or laissez faire liberal (I believe there might be some out there) who is actually considering voting for Zero.


6 posted on 09/09/2008 6:05:10 PM PDT by Ilya Mourometz
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To: txzman

So he played SIMS on his Nintendo...


7 posted on 09/09/2008 6:08:06 PM PDT by steveo (Don't be a Sarahphobe!)
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To: txzman
True.. Obama and Hillary too are indeed espionage agents..
In the mold of Saul Alinsky and Antonio Gramsci..
The House of Reps on the democrat side is a veritable sewage drain field..
And the republican side is Not very "clean" either..

Any not familiar with these two ought to be..

8 posted on 09/09/2008 6:09:35 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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9 posted on 09/09/2008 6:10:18 PM PDT by Bobalu (Obama cannot win without the kind of people that Palin appeals to.)
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To: txzman
"His creed was set out in his book ‘Rules for Radicals’ – a book he dedicated to Lucifer, whom he called the ‘first radical’. It was Alinsky for whom ‘change’ was his mantra."

The real Messiah for the Obamessiah is Alinsky. The real sacred text for the Obamessiah is "Rules for Radicals" -- I'm a lot less worried about the Muslim angle than the fact that Obama's whole project in life is to take that "long march through the institutions" to promote radical "change" from within. He is an infiltrator.

10 posted on 09/09/2008 6:16:23 PM PDT by Enchante (If Bill Clinton could juggle 5 bimbos and an angry wife then why worry about Sarah Palin?)
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Reading Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. Terrible.

Had to see the Satan quote for myself.

Particular dislike for Christians, I see.

11 posted on 09/09/2008 6:22:59 PM PDT by elk
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To: txzman
"Obama, his Mentor Saul Alinsky, and what a "community Organizer" is."

Che Commnity Organizer

12 posted on 09/09/2008 6:25:27 PM PDT by musicman (Sarah Palin Runs A STATE - Barack Obama Runs His MOUTH)
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To: txzman
"the name of that game is revolutionary Marxism..."

No sh!t, Sherlock!

13 posted on 09/09/2008 6:26:09 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D. - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: ken21; All
How about that letter she quotes that Alinsky's son wrote to the Boston Globe just a few days ago, calling Obama an obvious disciple and heir to Saul Alinsky's methods (this cannot rationally be described as some "right wing smear" since Alinsky's son is obviously so proud both of his father and of Obama):

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"Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness. It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well."

"I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday."

L. DAVID ALINSKY

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Gosh, Mr. Alinsky, you might wish you had waited until after Election Day to put that out into the public space. I'm sure that most other radicals such as Ayers & Dohrn are trying to be a lot more careful not to let the public know what Obama is really all about.

14 posted on 09/09/2008 6:26:35 PM PDT by Enchante (If Bill Clinton could juggle 5 bimbos and an angry wife then why worry about Sarah Palin?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I believe ManFishSocialistPig.


15 posted on 09/09/2008 6:26:45 PM PDT by Tucson Jim
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To: Enchante

as rush says, somebody’s behind obamao.

we see only the puppet on the stage.

this country didn’t prevent obamao from earning a large income and getting a luxury house:

>These People’s Organizations were to be composed largely of discontented individuals who believed that society was replete with injustices that prevented them from being able to live satisfying lives.<


16 posted on 09/09/2008 6:33:46 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Enchante

That quote needs to be on ads, flyers, billboards, whatever it takes to show the obamination for who he really is.


17 posted on 09/09/2008 6:37:15 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: txzman
I read "Rules for Radicals" a long time ago, but I remember it as being a very good read.

Alinski didn't spend any time talking about his particular philosophy, just about the tactics he found were most useful for supporting it.

On several occasions he praised corporations and police departments for having developed successful countermeasures against earlier tactics. For example, the advent of corporate lobbies with no place to sit as a response to sit-ins.

I believe that everyone should read "Rules for Radicals" because like it or not these are the tactics we are going to have to deal with.

I believe that those tactics (or similar) have been used by conservative groups such as the Right To Life movement, and even some local Freeper groups to advance their particular agendas.

The whole notion of how local do-gooders are gathered and then manipulated by leaders towards the leaders' agenda is one of the major complaints of conservative Freepers against the Republican Party. How often is it the case that RINOs run the party with the help of conservative stamplickers and leaflet-placers who are told that they will have to kick their ideals to the curb for the sake of a higher good?

Everyone has learned from Alinski ... except those who are too naive or too idealistic to know what has hit them.

18 posted on 09/09/2008 6:42:49 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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From http://www.rrpec.org/documents/RulesforRadicals.pdf: What follows is an eight-year old review of Rules for Radicals, by Saul Alinsky. Clearly, it is aimed at the Clintons (Alinsky devotees), who, at the time, had an iron grip on the DNC. Has Rules for Radicals become the playbook for the DNC? It would seem so.

News/Current Events Opinion (Published)
Keywords: CLINTON ALINSKY
Author: Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky, Courtesy the Wanderer
Posted on 03/23/2000 16:22:25 PST by Slyfox

Saul Alinsky wrote two books outlining his organizational principles and strategies: Reveille for Radicals (1946) and Rules for Radicals (1971). Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer, written by Saul Alinsky: "Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."

In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: "Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution." He builds on the tactical principles of Machiavelli: "The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-nots on how to take it away."

Rules for Radicals is concerned with the acquisition of power: "my aim here is to suggest how to organize for power: how to get it and how to use it." This is not to be done with assistance to the poor, nor even by organizing the poor to demand assistance: "...[E]ven if all the low-income parts of our population were organized ... it would not be powerful enough to get significant, basic, needed changes."

Alinsky advises the organizer to target the middle class, rather than the poor: "Organization for action will now and in the decade ahead center upon America's white middle class. That is where the power is."

Alinsky is interested in the middle class solely for its usefulness: "Our rebels have contemptuously rejected the values and the way of life of the middle class. They have stigmatized it as materialistic, decadent, bourgeois, degenerate, imperialistic, warmongering, brutalized and corrupt. They are right; but we must begin from where we are if we are to build power for change, and the power and the people are in the middle class majority."

To accomplish this, Alinsky writes that the organizer must "begin to dissect and examine that way of life [the middle class lifestyle] ... He will know that 'square' [traditional/establishment] is no longer to be dismissed as such -- instead his own approach must be 'square' [traditional/establishment] enough to get the action started." Rules for Radicals defends belief that the end justifies the means: "to say that the ends corrupt," writes Alinsky, "is to believe in the immaculate conception of ends and principles ... the practical revolutionary will understand ... [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one's individual conscience and the good of mankind."

Altogether, Alinsky provides eleven rules of the ethics of means and ends. They are morally relativistic:

"The practical revolutionary will understand Goethe's 'conscience is the virtue of observers and not of agents of action'; in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one's individual conscience and the good of mankind."

"The second rule of the ethics of the means and ends is that the judgment of the ethics of means is dependent on the political position of those sitting in judgment." Alinsky elaborates his meaning on this point, saying that if you were a member of the underground Resistance, "... then you adopted the means of assassination, terror, property destruction, the bombing of tunnels and trains, kidnapping, and the willingness to sacrifice innocent hostages to the end of defeating the Nazi's. Those who opposed the Nazi's conquerors regarded the Resistance as a secret army of selfless, patriotic idealists ...." Rules for Radicals is therefore concerned with how to win. "...[I]n such a conflict, neither protagonist is concerned with any value except victory."

"The third rule of the ethics of means and ends is that in war the ends justifies almost any means."

"There can be no such thing as a successful traitor, for if one succeeds, he becomes a founding father."

Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): "All effective action requires the passport of morality."

The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends states "that you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments ... Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means."

Rules for Radicals provides the organizer with a tactical style for community organization that assumes an adversarial relationship between groups of people in which one either dominates or is dominated.

"The first rule of power tactics is: power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."

"Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat."

"Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."

"The threat is generally more terrifying than the thing itself."

"In a fight almost anything goes. It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt."

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

One of the criteria for picking the target is the target's vulnerability ... the other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract."

"The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength." Saul Alinsky urged the active and deliberate "conscious-raising" of people through the technique of "popular education." Popular education is a method by which an organizer leads people to a class-based interpretation of their grievances, and to accept the organizer's systemic solutions to address those grievances. "Through the People's Organization these groups [of citizens] discover that what they considered primarily their individual problem is also the problem of others, and furthermore the only hope for solving an issue of titanic proportions is by pooling all their efforts and strengths. That appreciation and conclusion is an educational process."

Rules for Radicals stresses organizational power collecting: "The ego of the organizer is stronger and more monumental than the ego of the leader. The organizer is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which a man can reach -- to create, to be a 'great creator', to play God." Alinsky considered Hillary a terrific "organizer" and wanted her to become his protégée. She declined. She had bigger fish to fry. She learned her lessons well. She and Bill have employed Alinsky's tactics probably better than anyone else.

19 posted on 09/09/2008 6:52:28 PM PDT by AZLiberty (You can't power the U.S. economy on Democrat snake oil.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

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20 posted on 09/09/2008 6:55:50 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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