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The experience trap
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | September 7, 2008 | Bill Steigerwald

Posted on 09/07/2008 12:58:59 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Good thing George Stephanopoulos wasn't a Sunday morning TV pundit in 1912.

That was the year an egghead named Woodrow Wilson won the Democrats' nomination for president -- on the 46th ballot -- and chose Thomas Marshall as his vice president.

Based on his agitated reaction on last weekend's show to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin being picked as John McCain's VP, Stephanopoulos would have had a stroke over the combined executive inexperience of the Wilson-Marshall tandem.

And what qualified Wilson to become president of a far simpler, humbler America? Besides writing books and running Princeton University for eight years, that is? How about two years, one month and two weeks as governor of New Jersey.

Period.

Wilson's veep actually had more executive experience than Wilson. Tom Marshall had been governor of Indiana for more than three years, having been elected in 1908 as a dark-horse compromise candidate.

And what else had qualified Marshall to be placed a mere heartbeat or stroke away from the presidency? Nothing.

Stephanopoulos is a devout Democrat, so he wouldn't have noticed Wilson's and Marshall's shallow leadership credentials -- which still surpass Barack Obama's and are almost the equal of Gov. Palin's career executive experience.

But let's get real. This whole debate over experience is foolish. No rookie president or rookie VP is really ever ready to do his job. And as for Palin, she's Maggie Thatcher compared to many recent No. 2 choices -- most of whom have become political trivia questions.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: 2008; election; electionpresident; elections; mccain; mccainpalin; obama; palin; palinping; sarahpalin
Neither Senators Obama or Biden have ever met a payroll, worn a uniform or been anything noteable except senators.
1 posted on 09/07/2008 12:59:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
( The Democrats traps : experience clap trap ) ....
There now, title fixed.
2 posted on 09/07/2008 1:08:30 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

oh and palin also has experience in the private sector...the real world.
3 posted on 09/07/2008 1:08:43 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The better qualified and popular a Republican is, the more flawed, dishoest and arcane the MSM weenies say they are.

Political Gravitas is inversely proportionate to accomplishment

In other words, the world MUST turn itself on its head so that Obama may be elected.

Stephanopoulos is like all the rest of his kind. Blind as bats, and still thinking they can see from here to eternity

This article makes a little mileage off of the issue, but falls short of making a foray into the real world, even if the know that Palin is a Thatcher. Whence courage? Whence bravado?

The logic is that experience doesn't matter. This is not 1912. The world is just not the same place it was then.Now experience does indeed matter.

They can't have it both ways, as much as they'd like too. Rather sordid attempt at a blazee attitude.The fake yawn.

4 posted on 09/07/2008 1:15:35 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (http://www.theobamafile.com/))
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To: Candor7
The logic is that experience doesn't matter. This is not 1912. The world is just not the same place it was then.Now experience does indeed matter.

Yeah, lucky for them, our silly, primitive ancestors didn't have any wars, diplomatic issues or economic problems to deal with back then. They were happy if they could just find a mastodon to throw a spear at.

5 posted on 09/07/2008 1:21:40 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate" Ibn Warraq)
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To: Steel Wolf

just quote Clinton during the Democratic Convention. He was talking about himself as usual and saying remember when I (Clinton) ran for office, ppl were saying he was too inexperienced


6 posted on 09/07/2008 1:33:12 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The whole experience debate misses the point. Biden has been in the Senate longer than most people in this country have been old enough to vote. What does he have to show for his experience? What has he learned from his experience?

Barack Obama has been in the Senate for almost 4 years now. That's a full Presidential term. What changes has Obama accomplished in that time? What about the past 3 1/2 years makes him so much more qualified than he was before joining the Senate?

If the media would, for just one moment, ponder those questions. Then take an honest look at the records of the candidates, they would have a difficult time dismissing Sarah Palin while defending The One and The Negative One.

Experience doesn't matter one lick if you cannot demonstrate that you accomplished something or at least learned something from it. Biden, for all his experience, has very little to show for it. Obama can talk a good game but has never scored any points.

7 posted on 09/07/2008 1:51:00 AM PDT by eggman (Obama is now The Zero. He used to be The One but he added Biden.)
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To: Candor7

When some Obamist brings up the “experience doesn’t matter” canard, ask them the following questions:

1. Do you choose a doctor based upon how little experience he has?

2. Do you only hire attorneys who have never practiced law before?

3. Do you only allow fresh-out-of-school teachers to teach your children?

4. Do you only accept newly-minted CPAs to do your taxes and your books?

If the answer to any of these is no, then why make an exception for the Presidency?


8 posted on 09/07/2008 1:51:40 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: eggman

No it don’t.

I had the same crap presented to me by Mom.

You just throw it right back in their face: how many “months” has NoBammaMessiah’ been a senator?

One is invariably met with the response that NoBamMessiah jus sppears to be more that the “figure” of a Statesman.


9 posted on 09/07/2008 1:54:32 AM PDT by raygun
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To: eggman
" Barack Obama has been in the Senate for almost 4 years now. That's a full Presidential term. What changes has Obama accomplished in that time? "


Your mean the Obama Presidency or him as being a Senator ?
What has the Obama ( so called Presidency ) really accomplish ?
These questions really need to be asked.

After all ? the Dems/MSM about a month ago portrayed him as THE president when he was in Europe, and made claims that he HAS foreign policy experience since he made that trip to Europe.
We need to question the LIBS/MSM on that, we need to question the Obama Administration and Presidency ( we need to call them on their BS with their own delusional standards ).

Sort of like this:
This question can be used to question Obama or his supporters or the MSM:

MR. Obama ?
Since you went on your European foreign policy trip... what has America gained or benefited from your administration ?
Because ? as far as we can tell, there still is war in the Middle East and is getting worse, Iran is on the verge of getting Nukes, and things don't look good between the US and Russia.
MR. Obama ? your administration promised to sit down with these foreign leaders and establish peace with your promised " TALKS " that you said you will have during your run for the Presidency.... and us Americans have not seen one real accomplishment from your failed administration.... can you comment MR. Obama ?
10 posted on 09/07/2008 2:56:42 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“And what qualified Wilson to become president ...”

This is too easy.

What qualified Wilson to be the democrat president was that he was a racist, a KKK supporter and a segregationist and those views reflected perfectly the majority of the democrat voters.

And today we have nobama whose racist views reflect perfectly the views of the majority of the democrat party.

Nothing new under the sun for the rat party.


11 posted on 09/07/2008 4:28:53 AM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: sergeantdave
President Woodrow Wilson on the Klu Klux Klan sympathetic film Birth of A Nation "...it is like writing history with lightning. And my only regret is that it is all so terribly true."
12 posted on 09/07/2008 4:38:10 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: Steel Wolf

Especially with the poo flinging monkeys...


13 posted on 09/07/2008 4:59:45 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Woodrow Wilson?

Good grief, he ranks as one of the worst presidents of all time, right down there with FDR and Carter.

His desire for the world to be one big happy family and the founding of the League of Nations (forerunner to the United Nations) was a disaster. Just like Obama and Carter, Wilson was merely a the puppet of powerful special interests in DC.


14 posted on 09/07/2008 5:03:12 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thanks to all the runners-up. Now, the MHA, Media Hypocrisy Award goes to ...(opens envelope)...The New York Times for this editorial (courtesy of the WSJ).

From a New York Times editorial on July 3, 1984, on Geraldine Ferraro's nomination for vice president:

Where is it written that only senators are qualified to become President? . . . Or where is it written that mere representatives aren't qualified, like Geraldine Ferraro of Queens? . . . Where is it written that governors and mayors, like Dianne Feinstein of San Francisco, are too local, too provincial? . . . Presidential candidates have always chosen their running mates for reasons of practical demography, not idealized democracy. . . . What a splendid system, we say to ourselves, that takes little-known men, tests them in high office and permits them to grow into statesmen. . . . Why shouldn't a little-known woman have the same opportunity to grow?

15 posted on 09/07/2008 6:04:13 AM PDT by Dilbert56 (Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.")
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To: eggman
The whole experience debate misses the point.

You're right, it does. The debate should be more about judgement than experience. What have the candidates done when faced with difficulties? Have they compromised their principles or have their characters given them the strength to make the tougher choices & not only live with the consequences, but get stronger in the process?

16 posted on 09/07/2008 11:36:50 AM PDT by GoLightly
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