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South Ossetia war spurs defence debate in Scandinavia
barentsobserver.com ^ | 08-15-2008

Posted on 08/18/2008 7:56:31 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Several Norwegian opposition politicians say Russia’s intervention in the South Ossetia crisis shows that the country has Great Power aspirations, which could eventually pose a threat against Norwegian positions in the High North. Also in Sweden, the Caucasus conflict now triggers a domestic defence policy debate. Leader of the Norwegian Conservative Party, Ms. Erna Solberg, does not believe that a conflict like the one in Georgia could take place between Russian and Norway. She still believes that the South Ossetia events bear clear evidence of Russia’s great power aspirations.

-We can not defend ourselves alone, Norway needs a strong army, she says to newspaper Aftenposten.

Spitsbergen

Ms. Solberg illustrates her increasing fears with Russia’s reported violations of aircraft regulations at Spitsbergen and military training near the Norwegian border.

-It worries me that the Russians are showing disrespect for our right to govern the Spitsbergen archipelago, she says to the newspaper. She also accuses the Norwegian red-green government coalition of failing to nurse relations with the USA.

The Swedish debate

At the same time, a similar debate is unfolding in Sweden. An editorial in newspaper Dagens Nyheter today highlights the need for a revision of Swedish defence policies.

-For Sweden, the issue is now to adjust its defence policy to the hard realities, the editorial reads.

The newspaper writes that the South Ossetia crisis to certain extent resembles the Cold War.

-The perception that Sweden does not have external threats is an ill-informed stance, which although it lacks basis in reality has spread through the Swedish defence debate, the editors write.

The newspaper now calls on the Swedish government to stall cuts in the country’s defence in order to bolster national security.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: geopolitics; georgia; norway; southossetia; sweden
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Member of the Norwegian Parliament Defence Committee, Mr. Per Ove Width, goes even further, saying that he does “not exclude the possibility of a direct attack on Norway”. The representative of the rightist Progress Party says to newspaper Aftenposten that a conflict between Norway and Russia could develop following dangerous situations in fisheries or the oil and gas industry.

-And the Russians do not hesitate to use force, diplomacy comes afterwards, Mr. Width adds.

Even former foreign minister Jan Petersen from the Conservative Party now say that the developments in the Caucasus shows that Russia is willing to use force to achieve political gains and that this use of force could be used “unexpectedly”. - LINK

Norway challenged by Russian plans in Spitsbergen waters - 08/05/2008 - Russia this week confirmed its intention to start looking for oil and gas in waters near the Spitsbergen archipelago. .... While Norway claims that the Paris Treaty of 1920 gives it the right to establish an economic zone around the archipelago, Russia and a number of other countries maintain that the Paris Treaty only regulates the situation on the archipelago and not at sea.

1 posted on 08/18/2008 7:56:32 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: WesternCulture; wideawake

Ping.


2 posted on 08/18/2008 7:57:56 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

3 posted on 08/18/2008 8:03:49 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I think the EU overall is a horrible idea, but I’ve always thought that a Nordic Confederation (not a union, not a Federal government... a voluntary, quit-if-you-want-to confederation) of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and possibly, Finland, made a lot of sense, because of similarities in culture. I would say similarities in language, but Finnish is way out there on the language tree, nowhere close to the other Nordic languages.

With Sweden’s industrial base, and experience building fighters and military equipment, they could take the lead and split production and costs among the other Nordic nations. Get Germany involved too, and you’ve got a regional superpower without the EU “multi-cultural” baggage. Russia would certainly have to respect an alliance like that.


4 posted on 08/18/2008 8:13:45 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp

I’ve always wondered why the UK and scandinavian countries, along with iceland and greenland...didn’t tell the EU to take a long walk off a short pier.

The UK+nords=power

Probably even get canada to join that economic bloc.


5 posted on 08/18/2008 8:23:42 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

Norway is not part of the EU and neither is Iceland.


6 posted on 08/18/2008 8:27:04 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: DesScorp

“Balto-Scandia” was an idea tentatively considered by the inter-war foreign ministries of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania in the early 1920s. Nothing came of it, though, and each nation ended up signing a separate peace with the young Soviet Union. I hope those countries are re-reading their history, though.


7 posted on 08/18/2008 8:28:57 PM PDT by Toliy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sweden, Norway, and Finland should join NATO if they fear the aggressiveness of Russia, or die cold for such isolationism.


8 posted on 08/18/2008 8:33:57 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: DesScorp

It’s also a surprise rather close in terms of culture, with the Estonians.


9 posted on 08/18/2008 8:35:24 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: DesScorp
Get Germany involved too, and you’ve got a regional superpower without the EU “multi-cultural” baggage. Russia would certainly have to respect an alliance like that.

You mean like the 5th Volunteer SS Panzer Grenadier division "Wiking"?

I like your idea minus the German component. Honestly, the Germans seem like a bunch of sissy pacificts now, but scratch the surface and there's a goose stepping nationalist underneath.
10 posted on 08/18/2008 8:36:26 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Sweden and Norway show excellent sense in recognizing they need to strengthen their army.

The following things I hadn't been aware of, and I thank you for posting this article, Tailgunner Joe.

Ms. Solberg illustrates her increasing fears with Russia’s reported violations of aircraft regulations at Spitsbergen and military training near the Norwegian border.

-It worries me that the Russians are showing disrespect for our right to govern the Spitsbergen archipelago, she says to the newspaper. She also accuses the Norwegian red-green government coalition of failing to nurse relations with the USA.

11 posted on 08/18/2008 8:37:57 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Wiz

Norway has been a member of NATO since the earliest days.


12 posted on 08/18/2008 8:45:39 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (DEATH TO PUTIN!)
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To: Wiz
Norway is part of NATO. We do an exercise with them every year called Battle Griffin. When I was in the purpose was to simulate repulsing an attack on Norway from the old Soviet Union. The Norwegian military is very different from ours. Small in active duty forces but it seemed everyone is a private in the reserves. There are still lots of old German Fortifications that the Norwegians use.
13 posted on 08/18/2008 8:53:26 PM PDT by BBell
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To: Tailback
If the muzzies get too far out of hand I'm sure the Goose steppers will come out of the woodwork.


14 posted on 08/18/2008 8:57:54 PM PDT by BBell
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Looks like bears encrochment has some side effects.

I would worried too if I bordered Russia.


15 posted on 08/18/2008 9:36:41 PM PDT by racing fan (This isn't the state of California, it's a state of insanity. (from the movie 1941))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What’s your point?


16 posted on 08/18/2008 9:39:04 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Unilateral condemnment.

Rally request for those of like sentiment afterwards

Otherwise it comes across as a school-born excercise. Sorry, it just does.

17 posted on 08/18/2008 10:03:13 PM PDT by Sax (this idea was not a practical deterrent, for reasons which, at this moment, must be all too obvious)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Unilateral condemnment.

Rally request for those of like sentiment afterwards

Otherwise it comes across as a school-born excercise. Sorry, it just does.

18 posted on 08/18/2008 10:03:18 PM PDT by Sax (this idea was not a practical deterrent, for reasons which, at this moment, must be all too obvious)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

” She also accuses the Norwegian red-green government coalition of failing to nurse relations with the USA.”

oh SURE!!
It’s times like these when it enters their minds that being friends with the US might be a good thing.

Any other time, we are to be sneered at.


19 posted on 08/18/2008 10:07:54 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Eventually the Russian invaders will pay the highest price for their war crimes. The Georgians will never surrender to Putin's rampaging horde!

A Georgian man amid the rubble of a destroyed street in the town of Gori. Photo: Zurab Kurtsikidze/European Pressphoto Agency

France's foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner (center) and the foreign minister of Finland, Alexander Stubb (left), look at shell-damaged buildings in Gori on Aug. 11. Mr. Kouchner has been trying to arrange a cease-fire. Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said Georgia had signed one. Photo: Dimitar Dilkoff/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

Georgian soldiers prayed with an Orthodox priest. Air attacks by Russian forces caused numerous casualties among the civilian population in Gori. Photo: Wojtek Grzedzinski/Napo Images

20 posted on 08/18/2008 11:21:25 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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