Posted on 08/17/2008 5:34:46 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
LAKE FOREST, Calif. — Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain briefly shared a stage at Rev. Rick Warren's cavernous Saddleback Church on Saturday night as they discussed what their faith means to them and highlighted their vastly different views on issues, none more stark than abortion.
In the two-hour forum, Obama said it was above his "pay grade" when asked to define when a baby gets human rights. But McCain quickly answered, "At the moment of conception."
The Republican senator from Arizona drew frequent applause from the nearly 2,800 members of the evangelical church in Orange County with crisp answers intended to reinforce his conservative credentials.
Obama, who spoke for the first hour, offered more nuanced and analytical answers on some of the issues important to conservative voters: abortion, same-sex marriage and stem-cell research.
Role of faith Obama, who until recently attended the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, spoke more revealingly than McCain about his personal faith and its role in his life.
Explaining what it meant to him to be a Christian, the Democratic senator from Illinois talked of "walking humbly with our God": "I know that I don't walk alone, and I know that if I can get myself out of the way, that I can maybe carry out in some small way what he intends."
He paraphrased a line from the New Testament to answer Warren's second question about what had been America's greatest moral failure. "We still don't abide by that basic precept of Matthew that whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me," Obama replied.
McCain, an Episcopalian who attends a Baptist church in Phoenix,
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The LA Times writers did lead off with Obama's statement that being president would be above his pay grade.
When Obama doesn't think he is qualified to be President, then why should anyone else.
When MSM says the Presidency is above Obama's pay grade, he is is deep doo-doo
Obama was telling everyone what he thought they wanted to hear. McCain was telling everyone exactly what he believes.
Any potential leader of the free world, that can order to send his own countrymen into deaths camp for our freedom sure better be able to accept the responsibility for innocent unborn children in his own country.
Obama, you are a loser liberal.
heh..here’s a thread just posted over at the DUmp..someone over there sees what’s happenin and maybe deserves a kewpie doll award..
from the post “I think America is waking up to the fact that Obama is a politician, too, and that when he’s removed from the teleprompter he becomes quite the stumbler. We should have stuck with Hillary.
Here’s hoping for a big Convention bounce.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6650439
“The LA Times writers did lead off with Obama’s statement that being president would be above his pay grade.”
In his defense, that isn’t what he said.
There is an important rule I learned about succeeding in business which is if you want the higher pay grade, you perform at the higher pay grade even if your present salary is nowhere near that.
Obama’s answers are the same as when the most important Supreme Court decision was handed down. When Heller Vs. Washington D.C. was decided in our favor and the Second Amendment was ruled in favor of individual rights, obama the so-called Constitutional law professor claimed he didn’t know enough about the case to discuss it.
This guy is not performing as presidential material and doesn’t know how to be a president. He should not be anywhere near the presidency.
Thats a good laugh to start the day with!!!
That means 'unlear' 'obfuscated' and 'sidestepped'. He was obviously avoiding any direct revelation of his views and values, offering emotional mush instead.
Code for weasel-worded.
I knew Obama was so much more intelligent. He was just so much *sigh* more nuanced and analytical.
And McCain giving all those sharp pat answers. I just knew he was a know it all. He didn’t even “diverge” from his well worn stories about how he found God as a prisoner of war in Vietnam”. The show off.
/sarc off
But this is the reason lots of people are supporting him.
Soros and others will be able to control him. Whoever is appointed to the White House staff and Secretary of State and so forth will have power beyond their imaginations.
Right. He said that deciding when life begins is above his pay grade. Pretty pathetic attempt at not answering a very important question.
Hey,you guys don’t understand the California mindset. Don’t you know only a Sith deals in absolutes?
George Lucas told me so. And hey dude, he should know.
You know when I read these articles, I always switch around the names in my mind to measure for bias. Somehow I just can’t imagine an MSM article writing, “Obama didn’t deviate from his well worn stories”.
What he was actually saying is that he is not God -that is the pay grade he was referring to. However it seems giving an honest straight forward answer is above his pay grade too.
Mel
You really need to take a reading comprehension course! The clown said making decisions for god was above his pay grade.
This is what I told my wife would be the media spin on this and they didn't disappoint. For some reason, him admitting that questions of the sanctity of life are above his pay grade, is a good thing. Maybe I'm glad I'm not “smart” enough to think the presidency of the US is below such decisions.
Um, ah, um, um, um, ah, LOLOL.
OTOH, there are those who actually watched the event.
Is this accurate? I thought that the event had tickets distributed and sold and that it would not be a safe assumption to state that all of those in attendance were members of the church.
That would be a change in his platform.
What he is saying is he can't provide guidance to this controversy even though he would clearly be required to do so.
That's half of it. He said theological or scientific.
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