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The war in Iraq should never have been, it was probably the one facet of middle East rogues that could genuinely have waited

Nonsense. If Saddam hadn't been taken out, the world would have sunk deeper into fear these last 8 years, convinced that he was developing WMD.

Besides, he deserved to be taken out just on shooting at fliers in the no-fly zone and oil-for-food abuses alone, even though kicking out the inspectors was enough.

he should have gone to war with real terrorists, and their funders

Under this President, thousands of terrorists have been killed as they were drawn like flies on honey to Iraq. And the money sources which were revealed and shut down are too many to mention.

He may not talk as well as you would like, but he's been incredibly effective in the WOT.

Nonsense. If Saddam hadn't been taken out, the world would have sunk deeper into fear these last 8 years, convinced that he was developing WMD

Reality was, he wasn't, and only a few who had access to privileged intelligence, were confident he was, whilst Iran, N.Korea, Russia, and every Country with a fundamentalist Islamic subculture was either developing them, or planning to use their existing ones against the West, Blair and Bush were intent on removing, ironically, the only leader in the middle East who counterbalanced the effects of global jihadis.

In the meantime the real threat was developing their stratagem.

Question for you, would you, if you were a pragmatic leader, see Russia, Iran, N.Korea or Iraq as the most dangerous rogue state? And, you can answer that, with your opinion of 5 years ago if you wish.
I think Iraq was the least dangerous of the 4.
I think anyone who answes that truthfully would never put Iraq higher than 3rd.

I really don't think the WOT has been a success, sure there has been some leaders taken out in the process, but for every one that has, five have taken their place.
I think Iraq has had the effect of stirring the resolve of all the middle East jihadis, look what happened all over Europe after, and what is ongoing and growing.
Maybe the Islamic fundamentalists would have reacted as such without Iraq, but nonetheless, the war on Iraq has given the fundamentalists a new mantra to bind to.
We Europeans have this very issue stuffed down our throats by politicians and Islamic jihadis that live beside us in our Cities.

He may not talk as well as you would like, but he's been incredibly effective in the WOT.

I think that reads better as:

He may not talk as well as you would like, but he's been incredibly determined in the WOT.

I really like Bush, I don't think he's achieved as much as he could have, given the scale of the issues he's had to deal with.
I bet if he did it all again, he'd do it differently, now the political climate has changed so dramatically, I'd like to think he'd be more true to himself.