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Dangerous Times In Georgia Demand Serious Leadership (Fred Thompson)
Town Hall ^ | 14 August 2008 | Fred Thompson

Posted on 08/14/2008 9:32:34 AM PDT by SE Mom

My mind goes back to August 2002 in Tbilisi, as I visited Georgia with John McCain. I remember it feeling rather dark and secretive, with the former-Soviet Union’s heavy hand still making its presence felt. President Eduard Shevardnadze, formerly Soviet minister of foreign affairs, presented a friendlier face to the United States, but was beset by economic problems and corruption charges. At the time I did not fully appreciate the power of the democratic impulses that were just beginning to bubble up and would lead to the democratic Georgian government we now see threatened.

What has happened in Georgia since that time should not be surprising to anyone. Certainly Russia has tried to pretty itself up: it renamed the KGB and even gave its 21st century strongman Vladimir Putin a new title.

But for some time we’ve seen Russia sliding back to its authoritarian comfort zone. Murder, imprisonment and property confiscation are back in vogue for any perceived troublemaker. Former Soviet provinces have faced all forms of intimidation, from thuggish trade shakedowns to cyber attacks that shut down communications with the outside world. And whether a former satellite like Poland or a longtime western ally like Germany, Russia has made overt threats over plans to bring eastern European countries into NATO or to deploy a U.S.-provided missile defense system.

Russia is not above using anything at its disposal to make its point. It is a wealthy nation, built on a petro-economy that provides oil and gas to dependent European nations, which are petrified of having their energy supplies disrupted and are now in their own economic doldrums.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: elections; foreignpolicy; fredthompson; georgia; mccain; obama
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1 posted on 08/14/2008 9:32:34 AM PDT by SE Mom
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To: Politicalmom; jellybean; Petronski

Fred...making sense yesterday, today and tomorrow...


2 posted on 08/14/2008 9:33:30 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

Fred for VP!


3 posted on 08/14/2008 9:40:37 AM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: golfisnr1

that would be nice.


4 posted on 08/14/2008 9:44:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: golfisnr1

Fred for SCOTUS or AG..


5 posted on 08/14/2008 9:46:56 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

So Fred, other than elect John McCain, what should America be doing now? The current administration has five months to run and despite Nancy and Harry’s opinions we can’t just put our government on hold and go away for the summer.

We need measured, well thought out actions from the administration now that can serve as a basis for the policies of future administrations.

We are going to be in this conflict for a long time, possibly decades. We’ve been here before. The name of the game is prisoner’s dilemma and the recommended strategy is tit-for-tat. What’s the next move Fred?


6 posted on 08/14/2008 9:53:21 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: SE Mom
Yes indeed, Obama could have made a contribution if he'd actually done some work in the senate and learned from it, instead he started running for president, neglecting to hold even one meeting of his Europe related committee, not one.
7 posted on 08/14/2008 9:54:58 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: SE Mom

He would be great for SCOTUS.


8 posted on 08/14/2008 10:03:09 AM PDT by isrul
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Would have been better as Prez.


9 posted on 08/14/2008 10:08:16 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Shoulda.


10 posted on 08/14/2008 10:18:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SE Mom

http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=551

Check out the 90 or so pics at this Russian link. Not for the weak stomached: many gory war casualties.

Note especially the prevalent Chechyn units. Most Russian armor is spray-painted with the unit names, including “Chechyn Vostok.” The Russians are sending Chechyn muslims into Georgia, to do the dirty work.


11 posted on 08/14/2008 10:24:56 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: SE Mom
[I]t’s no time to give a kid with barely a learner’s permit the keys to the car.

Touché.

12 posted on 08/14/2008 10:34:22 AM PDT by Ebenezer (Strength and Honor!)
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To: Travis McGee
Don't believe it. The Russians are showing a fear that we might repay their invasion by stirring up trouble in Chechnya.
13 posted on 08/14/2008 10:58:02 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: SE Mom

Fred would make a perfect VP. We don’t need the Obama Kid in the White House equivocating himself from conflict to conflict.


14 posted on 08/14/2008 11:25:53 AM PDT by Maelstorm (John McCain is ready to be commander in chief)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the link. The journalist Arkady Babchenko (who shot all that pictures) has an article in Novaya gazeta (New Newspaper). They do have English edition, but its a few days behind and anyway does not include all materials translated. Hopefully, his reportage from the war will be there in a few days. From what he writes, the most bloodthirsty are Ossetians, not Chechens. And he shows the reason - city of Tzvinhali was shot at by Georgian artillery indiscriminately - residential areas, women, kids. Not pretty at all.

I think Georgian president was too cavalier about this attack. He talks nice and did well improving Georgia’s economy, fighting corruption, freeing press, etc. But I see too much of a demagogue in him as well. He overstepped mightily and set us up as well.

It does not make chances for Ossetia remaining a part of Georgia any better. Most likely it is irrevocably lost. There is an issue, of course, of villages of ethnic Georgians inside of the South Ossetia. How that enclaves to be incorporated into Georgia proper is a question. Assuming there will be people still living there. With blood-for-blood running thick, its a serious question.

Even with all that, Russian incursion into Georgia is a different game of chess. Putin shows off with that. His case of “defending weak Ossetia against strong Georgia” would have been much easier without venturing into Georgia. But he wanted to make a point, and just maybe overplayed his hand.


15 posted on 08/14/2008 11:55:16 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: rrstar96

...especially when they haven’t even started Driver’s Education...or been in the simulator.


16 posted on 08/14/2008 12:25:06 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you intended to!)
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To: SE Mom

“This is no time to elect a president whose international experience is limited to speaking to adoring European crowds who want to see the United States retreat from the world ... until they require our help in the next crisis that threatens them.

This crisis half a world away confirms what I’ve been saying for a while: This election cycle, the traffic in the world is very heavy ...and dangerous; it’s no time to give a kid with barely a learner’s permit the keys to the car.”

Not to mention electing someone who is not only clueless, but is totally irresponsible and anti-American.

NObama08


17 posted on 08/14/2008 9:30:09 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: SE Mom

We need FRED in the new administration.


18 posted on 08/14/2008 10:37:49 PM PDT by b9
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To: golfisnr1
I’m still stuck on Fred for president...

VP? OK, but not as good...

19 posted on 08/14/2008 11:15:51 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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