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To: Tolik
Totyten's report seems only to support my attitude (support to the Georgians). Kollik's (sp?) included report only more so.
I think you suggest that you feel or felt similarly - so how did it challenge your instincts?
9 posted on 08/13/2008 3:02:45 PM PDT by norton
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To: norton
Totyen = Totten
Kollik = Kucera

That admitted, the original liberal on liberal discussion is a good find.
Thanks.

10 posted on 08/13/2008 3:06:29 PM PDT by norton
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To: norton
Totten's website is simply designed, but cumbersome. A visitor must figure out that all previous posts are archived by month and that list is way down on the left side.

He traveled through all former Yugoslavia and spent more time in Kosovo. (look for June-July 2008). There is no saints over there and the war was bloody with neighbor killing neighbor, but also a neighbor saving neighbor. Among other things he looked for was whether Jihadists were successful in infiltrating in and where. It is uneven. Contrary to popular opinion, Kosovo is less affected than Bosnia and especially Macedonia. Quote from The Bin Ladens of the Balkans, Part II

... After the Kosovo War ended in 1999, well-heeled Gulf Arabs with Saudi money moved in to rebuild mosques destroyed by Slobodan Milosevic's Yugoslav army and paramilitary forces. They're still there trying to impose a stern Wahhabi interpretation of Islam on indigenous Europeans, and they're having an awfully difficult time getting much traction. Almost everyone in Kosovo despises these people. They are known as the Binladensa, the people of Osama bin Laden.

Things are different in next-door Macedonia. I had driven two hours from Kosovo's capital Prishtina through beautifully sculpted mountains and forest to Tetovo near the Kosovo and Albanian borders.

What I saw there was startling.

Kosovo is a Muslim-majority country. Macedonia isn't. Only a third of Macedonia's people are Muslims. Most Muslims in both countries are ethnic Albanians, but the difference between the two came like a shock – and not in the way you might expect. Aside from the mosque minarets, Kosovo doesn't look or feel like a Muslim country at all. Its culture and politics are thoroughly secular, and its believers are not demonstrative about their religion. A huge number of people in Tetovo, though, looked like they had been airlifted in from the Middle East.

I spent three weeks in Kosovo and saw no more than one or two women each day wearing a hijab – an Islamic headscarf – over their hair.

In Macedonia I saw dozens wearing a hijab in just ten minutes while driving to the cafe to meet Shpetim Mahmudi. I even saw a handful of women wearing an all-enveloping black abaya -- the closest thing the Arab world has to a burkha.

I never once saw one of those in Kosovo, not even in villages. As soon as I crossed the border into Macedonia, I felt like I had been whisked through a hole in the dimension from southeastern Europe to somewhere in Arabia.

Hijabs aren't strictly Islamic. There are Muslim countries all over the world where few women wear them. It's a cultural import from the Arab world. There is nothing wrong with wearing a hijab by choice (they are required by law in Iran), and it would be wrong to assume a woman or her family are Islamist extremists based on their head gear, but I was still startled to see so many in Macedonia. Albanian women do not traditionally wear them. It was obvious that soft-imperial Arab “missionaries” from the Gulf are having a much more profound effect on the ground in Macedonia than in Kosovo.

Since I can't personally visit all places I'd like to go to, I have to rely on others. Totten earned my respect with his honest reports from Iraq, Lebanon, Hezbollah areas, Israel. I think I can trust him. His posts generate good discussions including people from over there - sometimes quite hot arguments. Its a ton of reading to catch up in a hurry, but just stop somewhere and read a bit. He is a good writer. Make you own opinion.

13 posted on 08/14/2008 9:27:09 AM PDT by Tolik
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