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Vladmir Putin attacks the West's 'cynical support' for Georgia
Times Online ^

Posted on 08/11/2008 9:47:38 AM PDT by indcons

A defiant Vladimir Putin hit out at America and the West today for its

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: geopolitics; georgia; southossetia; war
“I was very firm with Vladimir Putin,” Mr Bush told NBC Sports. “I expressed my grave concern about the disproportionate response of Russia. We strongly condemn bombing outside of South Ossetia.”
1 posted on 08/11/2008 9:47:38 AM PDT by indcons
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To: indcons

Partners, my ass.


2 posted on 08/11/2008 9:48:49 AM PDT by Tax Government (Vote for McCain, not McBambi.)
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To: indcons
He criticised the United States for transporting 800 Georgian soldiers from Iraq

Pooty doesn't even like us giving 'em a lift home...

3 posted on 08/11/2008 9:51:19 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Tax Government

Why doesn’t the London Times open up a 24/7 Putin Blog for the entire world to read....It could be called ThePutinPouts...they can even do some youtube gig called ‘Leave Putin Alone’...


4 posted on 08/11/2008 9:54:53 AM PDT by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism)
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To: indcons
Cynical, is launching an attack on the opening day of the Olympics. The mask slipped and the KGB Monster was once again revealed. This bellyaching from Putin now is an attempt to reattach the mask, as Putin tries to pin his own crimes and faults on us. And it's effective because whenever it comes to Russia the MSM is quick to look the other way.
5 posted on 08/11/2008 9:59:43 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The LORD.)
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To: indcons

Russians are lying.

They are in control of vast areas of Georgia as we speak.

This is being verified by reporters and Georgian officials, and Russia is DENYING being IN Gori....

The Nazis did this.

History repeats itself.


6 posted on 08/11/2008 10:02:33 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: indcons
The trick to present the aggressor as the victim of an aggression and to place the responsibly for the effects on the victims,” Mr Putin said.

We see through your trick, Ivan.

7 posted on 08/11/2008 10:09:56 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: indcons

8 posted on 08/11/2008 10:12:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: indcons

Will someone please shut up that House Elf!


9 posted on 08/11/2008 10:13:36 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the map


10 posted on 08/11/2008 10:15:37 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Travis McGee
What does UNOMIG refer to? Are there UN forces stationed in Georgia?

Georgia's territory, including the rebel "autonomous" regions, is 26,911 sq. miles--slightly larger than Latvia or Lithuania, a bit smaller than Hungary (other recipients of the same treatment from Russia).

11 posted on 08/11/2008 11:07:45 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: indcons; Travis McGee; Rick.Donaldson
Isn't Putin pondering setting up a refueling base in Cuba for Russia's nuclear-capable bombers? Things could get very “interesting” indeed.
12 posted on 08/11/2008 11:28:35 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=1 man+1 woman! Vote "YES" on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: 444Flyer

Yes. He is doing exactly that. Several weeks now he’s been discussing that.


13 posted on 08/11/2008 11:47:42 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: 444Flyer

Russia may eventually retrieve its military presence in Cuba and Vietnam

Front page / Russia / Politics
05.08.2008 Source: Pravda.Ru

Russian army bases in Cuba may still become a reality. Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, the president of the Academy of Geopolitical Sciences, stated Monday that the retrieval of the Russian military presence in Cuba may become a real response to the ongoing increase of the US military and political pressure on Russia.

Russia may eventually retrieve its military presence in Cuba and Vietnam

“It is an open secret that the West has been establishing a buffer zone around Russia during the recent years, getting European, Baltic states, Ukraine and the Caucasus involved in the process. The expansion of the Russian military presence abroad, particularly in Cuba, could become a response to US-led activities,” RIA Novosti quoted Ivashov as saying.

Nikolai Patrushev, the Secretary of the Russian Federation Security Council, made a work visit to Cuba on July 30-31 and held meetings with Cuban ministers for defense and internal affairs.

Leonid Ivashov said that Patrushev’s visit to “the island of freedom” was made to discuss the forms of Russia’s possible military presence on the island.

“There are convenient bays for reconnaissance and battleships and a network of so-called forward staging posts in Cuba. We can resume the operation of the radar center in Lourdes upon the agreement of the Cuban administration. A shipment of new radar equipment will be necessary for it, though,” Ivashov said.

The official also emphasized the importance for the Russian administration to modernize a technical support center for vessels of the Russian Navy in Syria’s Tartus port. To crown it all, Ivashov did not rule out a possibility to resume talks with Vietnam regarding a possibility for Russia to deploy its battleships in Cam Ran port.

Leonid Ivashov chaired the department for international defense cooperation of Russia’s Defense Ministry in 1996-2001.

Former commander of Russia’s Black Sea Navy, Eduard Baltin, also said that there are convenient bases in Cuba, where Russian ships could be based. “It is technically possible, although there is no strategic need in it today,” the admiral said.

The Russian radio intercept center was operating in Cuba until 2002. The center was officially called the Russian Electronic Center in Lourdes. The center allowed to intercept the data transmitted from US communication satellites, ground-based telecommunication cables and even messages from NASA’s center in Florida. The base was closed in October 2001. The annual rent for the use of the base in Lourdes reportedly made up $200 million.

Russia’s largest overseas navy base was liquidated in 2002. The agreement signed between Russia and Vietnam in 1981 stipulated the use of two berths for Russian battleships and submarines, about 30 warehouses and a runway for all kinds of planes.

Cam Ran used to play the key role in the plans of the Russian Navy, because it was the only base that was capable of providing the presence of Russian vessels in the Indian Ocean and in the Persian Gulf area. The annual rent made up $300 million.

The technical support center for the Russian Navy in Syria’s Tartus still operates free of charge.


14 posted on 08/11/2008 12:25:14 PM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Thank you. Good information.

I'm also trying to connect the dots in regards to how Putin plans on tying Chavez into the big picture. Their anti-U.S. alliance in Latin America is growing closer. Of particular concern is their “military and technical cooperation” and of course their ties with Cuba.

July 22, 2008
“Putin wants closer military ties with Venezuela”
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080722/114656330.html

What is happening in Georgia is a demonstration of Putin's march back onto the world stage as a preeminent military super power IMO. How the U.S. State Department deals with this will certainly send a message as to how strong or weak the U.S. is both diplomatically and possibly militarily. If Putin smells weakness on our behalf, he will be emboldened.

15 posted on 08/11/2008 12:56:11 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=1 man+1 woman! Vote "YES" on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: 444Flyer

“on our behalf”=”on our part”


16 posted on 08/11/2008 1:00:41 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=1 man+1 woman! Vote "YES" on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"Cynical, is launching an attack on the opening day of the Olympics."

wow, thats just embarrassing dude. It was Georgia who launched the attack on the opening day of the Olympics. For you to blame it on Putin is beyond stupid. Blame him for bombing innocent civilians etc., but trying to pin the blame on him for the timing is just retarded.
17 posted on 08/11/2008 1:21:46 PM PDT by monday
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To: monday
Hello Troll,

The conflict started on August 7, one day before the opening of the Olympics when South Ossetian separatists had attacked Georgian villages, no doubt on the orders of Putin. Putin then used the next day (August 8, the same day as the start of the Olympics) to launch his pre-planned attack, striking targets throughout Georgia. Thus my post is totally justified.

The only thing left to explain to you now is that your use of childish insults only reflects badly upon yourself.

18 posted on 08/11/2008 3:05:28 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The LORD.)
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