4 gunmen bust doors, yell ‘FBI,’ loot home (Why No-Knock Warrants need to be banned)

Arkansas Democrat Gazette ^ | 08 AUG 08 | JACOB QUINN SANDERS

[magslinger]

They should be so damn rare that only when life and limb are in IMMEDIATE and IMINENT danger should one be conducted (preferbally with the mayor, chief of police, and signing judge at the scene).

I think that you came up with a suggestion that would make no-knock warrants as rare as you would like. Make them valid only if the signing judge is on the scene. Quite aside from the danger of getting in the line of fire, how willing would a judge be to get up at Oh dark hundred to attend the raid?

[Rick.Donaldson]

Not necessarily, but no-knock raids are Constitutionally illegal.

That’s without giving a legal warrant until AFTER the fact.

Come knock on my door, be polite and I’ll be polite.

Kick in my door scream and you will die. I might die too, but I WILL take people with me.

[Hatteras]

Help me understand your argument here. We need to ban no-knock raids because the criminals in this case shouted “FBI!” when they kicked in the victim’s door?

[Patriotic1]

I’m shocked this doesn’t happen more often. If I were a thug, I would certainly use this tactic to support myself.

[An Old Man]

"and the fact that you guys are comparing this to one bad raid in PGC shows you simply have an agenda and are using it to justify your picking and choosing of these events."

Liz Michael is not going to like that one bit.

[wilco200]

“Help me understand your argument here. We need to ban no-knock raids because the criminals in this case shouted “FBI!” when they kicked in the victim’s door?”

No. We should ban no-knock raids because they are unconstitutional and because there have been numerous examples of “real” police raiding innocent homeowners, destroying their property, and even killing their dogs

[Hatteras]

"No. We should ban no-knock raids because they are unconstitutional and because there have been numerous examples of “real” police raiding innocent homeowners, destroying their property, and even killing their dogs"

So what does that have to do with the incident mentioned in the story?

[cva66snipe]

Should we ban traffic stops, too, since those have been abused by criminals?

We should for saftey reasons and just plain common sense ban unmarked cars from doing routine traffic stops. Those stops need to be done with a marked car with light bar visable. That much I am for. We need to also ban speed cameras and light cameras.

[thefactor]

wow. please do not show that woman ANY of my posts! haha...

she'll find me. might sleep with my weapon under my pillow from now on.

i cannot wait to retire, move down south, and adopt more of a survivalist, isolationist mentality.

it's impossible to do up here in NYC.

[onlylewis]

One question, How would banning “no knock warrants” stop criminals from doing this type of thing? It seems that banning those warrants would only stop the police from serving them. Having them banned will not stop criminals. Just like locks do not stop criminals and so forth and so on.

No argument just a thought!

[B4Ranch]

I’m not going to get into a drawn out discourse with you either but I see no reason why no knocks ahould be allowed. This crap about cops shooting any dog that is not attacking them is getting old. The cops who got medals for hitting the wrong adress is total BS too. Sorry, but you will never convince me that we need militarized cops on our streets.

The job sucks but nobody is forced into being a cop.

[catman67]

That “one bad raid in PGC” is just a drop in the bucket!

[Wiggins]

Sounds like you sleep with an arsenal at your side. Most likely if anyone, good or bad, kicks in your door at 3 A.M. you won’t have much of a chance to do anything. You will go out in a blaze of glory.

[Jagdgewehr]

Easy...

Once banned, I can rest assured it is only criminals I'm shooting coming through my door.

[TheBattman]

The sheriff’s office does not keep track of home-invasion robberies, Rehrauer said

Umm..... hello. Earth calling sheriff. Maybe you SHOULD!

[TigersEye]

I will consider all no-knock entries as armed home invasions.

[B4Ranch]

Minneapolis police: A mistake, an apology and then medals[Medals For Shootout w/ Home Defender]

[nonsporting]

...I’ve never broken the law and if someone comes in screaming FBI...

The FBI has no reason to invade an innocent person's home (the law is no threat to those who do right, according to Roman's 13). Wrong address...anonymous tip...these are all fatal mistakes. "No knock" is a stupid, stupid idea. The innocent must not be sacrificed for expendiency.

[maine-iac7]

These raids have also resulted in a 92 year old woman being shot to death in the middle of the night, other incidents where innocent people have been terrorized in the middle of the night and their dogs - who were posing no threat - being shot and this one that just happened to a mayor and his family = and their black labs killed (you know how vicious black labs are - sarg - especially the one that was shot running to another room trying to escape) - just how many innocent people do you think it's okay to terrorize and kill in the quest of getting some bad guys???

Especially now that the real perps are adopting the mis-delivery scheme to avoid the raids = they have drugs delivered to innocent households for retrieval = which puts the innocent people in double jeopardy: one from the perps coming to get their stuff and two, from the mid-nite raids from the Swat teams, which are even more dangerous.

http://us.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/07/mayor.warrant/index.html

[SoldierDad]

I agree. People with an agenda will take isolated incidents where LE makes a mistake (as well as an incident like this)and ignore the many many times that they get it right in their attempt to hamstring good law enforcement practices.