[Mrs. Don-o]

"I’m a NICU nurse; yes, there are cases where a mother develops very high blood pressure, and the baby has to be taken early, which sometimes results in his demise."

This is a clear case of "double effect" and has at no time, never, been considered murder, neither in criminal law nor in Church law.

The intention is to save them both patients if possible. If the labor is induced early (which happened to me as a result of pregnancy-induced hypertension) the doctor is still trying to save both mother and baby.

Sometimes they can postpone the pitocin drip or the Cesarean until the baby's lungs and other organ systems are developed enough to for the baby to survive: in borderline cases, they'll have the Neonatal ICU all ready and work like mad to protect both patients' halthand well-being.

In any case, killing the baby is not the intent --- the intent is to do what is possible for each and every patient.

Isn't that so?

And that's why a preterm delivery that sadly ends up with the baby's demise, is never considred murder. As in "issue," that's a non-starter, a red herring.

[DLfromthedesert]

You are essentially correct, but there are times when a baby is taken too early to have a chance. I still don’t see it as murder, but evidently some people on this forum do.