Posted on 06/27/2008 8:05:35 PM PDT by FocusNexus
Yes, AFTER they attacked us. This is a perfect example of why treating terrorism as a crime is dangerous to our lives -- they "punish" terrorists, if they can find them, AFTER they committed their terror attacks, which next time may kill not thousands, but tens of even hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
Clearly Obama does not get it, or he wouldn't cite this as an example of success.
This is exactly why it needs to be treated as a war, using all methods to PREVENT an attack, and one of those methods is the eradication of terrorists, wherever we find them.
Obama’s solution is to return to burying our head ion the sand, and not acknowledging the threat. What he fails to grasp is that when you have your head in the sand, it is extremely easy for your foes to kick your a**.
Good grief! If Obama is dumb enough to cite this fiasco as a success, he really has his head stuck where the sun doesn't shine.
Barack Hussein Obama on Homeland Security
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Homeland_Security.htm
No torture; no renditions; no operating out of fear
A: We have to be clear and unequivocal. We do not torture, period. Our government does not torture. That should be our position. That will be my position as president. That includes renditions. We don’t farm out torture. We don’t subcontract torture.
FactCheck: Promised to repeal Patriot Act, then voted for it
Clinton took direct aim at Obama and connects fairly solidly: “You said you would vote against the Patriot Act; you came to the Senate, you voted for it.” Clinton is correct to say that Obama opposed the Patriot Act during his run for the Senate. She’s relying on a 2003 Illinois National Organization for Women questionnaire in which Obama wrote that he would vote to “repeal the Patriot Act” or replace it with a “new, carefully crafted proposal.” When it came time to reauthorize the law in 2005, though, Obama voted in favor of it.
Congress decides what constitutes torture, not president
Q: If Congress prohibits a specific interrogation technique, can the president instruct his subordinates to employ that technique despite the statute?
A: No. The President is not above the law, and not entitled to use techniques that Congress has specifically banned as torture. We must send a message to the world that America is a nation of laws, and a nation that stands against torture. As President I will abide by statutory prohibitions for all US Government personnel and contractors.
Restore habeas corpus to reach Muslims abroad
If you were a Muslim overseas listening to Rudy Giuliani say “they are coming here to try to kill you,” which is the tenor of many of the speeches that are delivered by Republicans, you would get an impression that they are not interested in talking and resolving issues peacefully. Now, what we need to do [to reach Muslims] is we need to close Guantanamo. We need to restore habeas corpus. We need to send a strong signal that we are going to talk directly to not just our friends but also to our enemies.
Close Guantanamo and restore the right of habeas corpus
Why don’t we close Guantanamo and restore the right of habeas corpus, because that’s how we lead, not with the might of our military, but the power of our ideals and the power of our values. It’s time to show the world we’re not a country that ships prisoners in the dead of night to be tortured in far off countries. We’re not a country that runs prisons which locks people away without ever telling them why they’re there or what they’re charged with. We’re not a country which preaches compassion to others while we allow bodies to float down the streets of major American cities. That’s not who we are.
Obama, much like the hapless beat cop, has no expectation of protecting you from the murderers. When he's in office he'll show up after the crime with his incompetent assistant, Inspector Shrillary, to draw a nice chalk line around your headless corpse. 10-4, book 'em Clinton!
Ok. I’ll add this to the list. Lets see what I have so far.
1. Carter Energy Policy - Shortages, Gas lines, record prices (at the time)
2. Chamberlain Foreign Policy - Auschluss, Sudetenland, Rest of Czechoslovakia, Poland (Finally saw the light after Poland invaded)
3. Clinton Counterterrorism Policy - USS Cole. First WTC attack,embassies in Africa and elsewhere.
Has this moron ever even bothered to check what the results of these policies he is so fond of were? All three of the ones he has attached himself too were disastors.
I’m going to preach to the choir on this one.
If 9/11 taught us ANYTHING, it taught us that the stakes are much too high to treat acts of terrorism as mere criminal acts.
We were damned lucky that 9/11 didn’t cripple us economically. An attack using WMDs could potentially cost us the lives of millions of American citizens. This is not the type of attack that any country can afford to address retroactively. Insisting that we do so is just plain foolishness. I should know - I made that argument around here as recently as a few years ago and, on further thought, have come to deeply regret it.
We should have pursued the active destruction of al Qaeda after the 1993 bombing. THAT would have been a rational approach. Failure on the behalf of the Clinton Administration to carry out that destruction was unexcusable. Our government exists to protect us against those whom declare war on us and whom work to do us harm. When our government chooses to treat such groups as everyday criminals, it does us all a dire disservice.
Shame on the people of our country if we are stupid enough to elect a president whom insists on repeating the failed policies of the past. If we give up on the War on Terror now, the terrorists will hit us even harder out of retribution for cracking down on them. That is the way in which bullies think.
Now, more than ever, we need a president whom won’t go “wobbly” on us. We don’t need someone whom will throw the fight in its most desperate hour.
Please! We must talk the jihadists to death or to the peace table. We must pray for our international enemies with ...permission from the UN. We must extend an olive branch to make sure multiculturalism is not only taught in our schools but in Muslim schools but we must never evangelize them even though The Messiah says he is a Christian. Odd that. Preemption is a curse word. Killing them is a curse word. Acceptance, tolerance, now they are catchwords for change and hope. And death.
Um, this was interesting the first time you posted it. But repeating the juvenile transformer is somehting else. We get the agenda, that you don’t want people to vote for McCain.
Well good. It’s been a few months and I want to share the pain. John sure doesn’t mind doing it.
It’s going to be a long time until November. Buckle up.
Dude, you’re starting to just look bitter. Are you a Paulist? Or just a stealth democrap?
John McCain's Whimsical World of Conservatism
Food for thought for the Hillary Clinton Wing of the GOP
1982/00/00 McCain enters Congress, with his family accepts first of nine trips some aboard Keating's leer jet, three of which include stayovers at Keating's Caribbean resort (goes unreported for up to 7 years)
1983/09/28 McCain joins 26 other Republicans to vote with the Majority Party Congressional Democrats to demand U.S. Troops exit Lebanon, winds up on the losing side
1986/04/00 Cindy McCain and her father invest $359,100 in a Charles Keating strip mall
1987/00/00 McCain has received $112,000 by this time for Congressional and Senate campaigns, from Charles Keating, his relatives, and his employees, the largest amount to any Keating 5 member
1987/04/02 McCain joins four Democrats to intercede on behalf of his S&L Owner friend Keating with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board and also banking regulators (2 meetings)
1988/02/11 McCain votes to affirm Anthony Kennedy as a justice for the SCOTUS
1989/00/00 McCain discloses Keating trips as his involvement in the S&L scandal breaks, reimbursing $13,433.00 with no repercussions as late as seven years after the fact
1990/10/02 McCain votes to Confirm Justice David H. Souter from New Hampshire to be an Associate Justice on the SCOTUS Court
1993/10/10 McCain co-sponsors an unsuccessful bill to cut off funding of United States troops in Somalia
1993/08/10 McCain joins the Democrats and most Republicans voting to confirm Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the worst justice on the court today. Three Republicans vote Nay.
1993/01/13 McCain and Kerry release the Select Committee report urging the MIA issue be put to rest so that Vietnam could be granted normalized relations with the U.S., over objections by MIA family and veterans groups. Video1 Video2 ( I do not endorse all of the information presented in video1 here. The video does touch on a number of topics, and I think most are germane ) If I could have found video that contained most of this information without touching on McCain's POW experience I would have posted it instead. Still, there are parts of McCain's POW experience that are troubling. I'd just rather not go there. Video2 shows how one MIA family rep is treated, confirming some of the reports in Video1.
1994/07/24 McCain joins with the Democrats to confirm nominee Stephen Breyer to be an Associate Justice on the SCOTUS. Nine Senators voted Nay...
1997/00/00 McCain leads the opposition to the Coats Amendment, preventing government funded fetal tissue research ( derived from "a legal act" [abortion] ) Amendment defeated!
1999/08/19 McCain stated, ""Certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade,"
2000/00/00 McCain joins Democrat Russ Feingold to introduce Campaign Finance Reform, an effort funded by George Soros Article
2000/00/00 McCain was the keynote speaker at the ultra-liberal Philadelphia convention sponsored by George Soros while John F. Kerry keynoted at another Soros event on the same day...
2000/11/20 McCain participates in the production of a gun control spot for Oregon's Proposition Five. (Circa this date, prior to the November election.) Article
2001/00/00 McCain founded the Reform Institute funded by George Soros
2001/05/15 McCain introduces the Gun Show Loophole bill S890, with Carper, Lieberman, DeWine, Clinton, and Schumer co/sponsoring. Analysis
2003/03/19 McCain joins Democrats to vote against drilling in ANWR
2003/10/30 McCain joins Lieberman again, this time to introduce the Climate Stewardship Act (Gorebal worming et al) Thomas Bill S139
2004/06/04 McCain signs letter with 58 Senators, "We write to urge you to expand the current federal policy concerning embryonic stem cell research."
2004/08/05 McCain announces he deplores the Swift Boat adds against Senator John Kerry, and asks the White House to refute them
2005/00/00 McCain resigns from the Reform Institute he founded with George Soros
2005/01/28 McCain declares, "I want us in the ICC (International Criminal Court)", but I would like to see more safeguards first
2005/05/12 McCain joins Ted Kennedy to introduce McCain/Kennedy immigration legislation that would wind up making illegal immigrants citizens
2006/04/28 McCain states, "I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected that has become corrupt."
2006/09/06 McCain joins Dole to write op-ed for the Washington Post, states in part, "We should publicly remind Khartoum that the International Criminal Court has jurisdiction to prosecute war crimes..."
2007/02/17 McCain states he will close Guantanamo Bay terrorist detainment center on his first day in office Video (same as date link on the left)
2007/03/22 McCain gets the pledged support of Chuck and Sue Cobb, Jeb Bush's Florida Director of the Free Trade of the Americas Agreement effort
2007/06/00 McCain joins Baldwin, Shays and Meehan to file an amicus brief against the Wisconsin Right to Life organization brief The wrong side of a pro-life issue, helping pro-abort Feingold
2007/06/18 McCains Gitmo problem, close the base, grant Geneva Convention status, stop water boarding...
2007/10/25 McCain still wants us to sign the L.O.S.T. treaty in time, but does have concerns over sovereignty issues.
2008/03/00 McCain makes his first attempt to tell a state (North Carolina) Republican Party what to do. The RNC joins him.
2008/03/24 McCain hires Meg Whiteman to cochair his Presidential campaign. Whiteman is another wishy washy at best Independent, who has donated to leftist candidates and still doesn't have a clue what side to come down on with regard to illegal immigration. She is leaning toward running for Governor in California and being courted by it's Republican leadership. Links to CalCowGirl's comments regardint Whiteman's donations. Article above.
2008/03/26 McCains speech to the World Affairs Council, Europe may get veto power over some of our foreign policy...
2008/04/08 McCain casts last Senate vote during his Presidential Campaign. By the EOBD 06/24/08, he has missed 367 votes or 61.4% of the Senate votes in the 110th Congress. His last vote before the one he cast on April 8 was cast on 03/14/08. LINK
2008/05/09 McCains interview with O'Reilly... I won't drill in ANWR... it's pretty... I'm an environmentalist. (note: there's a good chance he may have an environMental disorder)
2008/05/12 McCain Joins the Goreball Worming Cult, sounding more like Al Gore every day... McCain's Oregon add Video
2008/05/13 McCain takes an Environmental walk, with the leader of the Cascade Land Conservancy... (another series of fruit loop moments)
2008/05/15 McCain states he will appoint Democrats to his administration, during a Republican teleconference and during a Columbus stump speech
2008/05/27 McCain announces support for severe cutbacks on our nuclear weapons, withdrawing battlefield nukes from Europe and giving our nuclear waste to an international body
2008/06/04 McCain states, "I disagreed strongly with the Bush administration's mismanagement of the war in Iraq."
2008/06/14 McCain tells Clinton supporters they should back him because he voted for Ginsberg and Breyer Said this to Conservatives on 2008/05/07
2008/06/21 It is announced McCain and Obama will address open borders group in Los Angeles on July 18th, 2008, Communists and worst of U.S. Illeagal Alien appologist groups...
2008/06/21 McCain and team realize he has so little credibility on judicial appointments, that they announce he will let Fred Thompson vet his judges. That's 06/21/08's version of truth...
You must be a democrat operative hack, you can’t spell.
Well somehow I’ll survive the opinion. Thanks.
You take care. We can’t all agree. By conventional wisdom, there are reasons to vote for McCain. I’ve just had it with voting for the lesser of two evils. Evil is still evil.
Later...
Johnny isn’t evil, he’s just not a conservative and never will be. BUT, he can move more into conservative than Barry the commie. Limbaugh has made it plain that he would rather have a democrap in the HWite HOuse as the nation goes down the sewer drain than have a republican in name only to blame for the ride. I happen to think Rush is so insulated that he doesn’t actually comprehend how bad it will be and he is rich enough to walk away from it all when he’s muzzled by the fairness doctrine. Limbaugh is a great listen but one needs to have plenty of salt handy during the exercise.
I don’t listen to Rush much. I’ve kindof gotten tired of talk radio. There are a bunch of yahoos on, and after a while it becomes noise rather than something I want to listen to.
That being said, I like Rush. I understand where you are coming from, but I do not see John being anywhere near the saving grace you see him to be.
John has voted very carefully. His voting looks quite good. And then you look at what he has advocted outside of the chamber, and you begin to see something different about the guy.
He has been tied at the hip with the worst Democrats going back to the Keating Five. I’m not going in that fiasco now, but look at who his cohorts were. Four out of five were Democrats. And then there was John.
Glenn showed me his true colors in the hearings in the Senate during the 90s. I couldn’t believe how bad he was. And John was goofing around with that crowd in the 1980s.
He talks in glowing terms of John Kerry, and suported him by trashing the Swift Boat Vets.
Look, we both know what John is. If you think you must support him go ahead. I’m not going to rag on you for it. I can’t do it, and I can’t remain silent on the guy. As long as I can, I’m going to take the guy to task.
I do appreciate your responses. I know you’re defending your viewpoint, and you should.
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