Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen

Israel Insider ^ | June 24, 2008 | Reuven Koret

[LiteKeeper]

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[higgmeister]

If you had lied about it you would not have passed.

[blaquebyrd]

Yes but probably still only on a need to know basis.

All security clearances are granted on a need to know basis. Just because I possessed a TS in the Air Force didn't grant me the right to go on nuc sub and proclaim, "tell me all of your secrets to the level of which I am allowed". Security clearances don't work like that, at least in the military. That brings me back to my original point that Congressmen/Senators would face even more stringent investigations than I, simply because of the level of access afforded them.

[Vinnie]

How old was his mother when she gave birth? If she was under 19, he wouldn't qualify.

I believe that is the clause that is causing the controversy. Supposedly his mother was 18 ans ineligible to pass natural citizenship to Barack.

If he needs an embossed stamp on the certificate he'll pass some $$$ and get it.

[higgmeister]

That brings me back to my original point that Congressmen/Senators would face even more stringent investigations than I, simply because of the level of access afforded them.

I heard or read a long time ago that Congressmen and Senators only get a Secret Clearance initially. Of course that would have to be upgraded if they were on a committee that handled more sensitive information. If anyone has direct knowledge it might be helpful to debunk this urban myth.

Like you I am certain that they are investigated. Remember Hillary's bouncer, Craige Livingstone and "Filegate?" Those were the files that Hillary illegally obtained, FBI background investigation files.

[proudtobeanamerican1]

That is true if you take the assumption that the being born in Hawaii part is true. Where is your proof of that. If the birth certificate is in question, this is still not verified.

[Mogollon]

If his mom’s a citizen, he’s a citizen.

The constitution requires the POTUS to be a "Natural born ctiizen" though. If he was born in Kenya for example, he would not be a natural born citizen...therefore unqualified for the presidency.

[1rudeboy]

I think you are missing the point. If you are born in Kenya and your mom is a U.S. citizen (and meets the other conditions), then you are a "natural born citizen" for the purpose of Article II, Section 1 and eligible to be President.

[WellyP]

Thanks Higgmeister. It really and truly sounded interesting at the time! I am ever so glad that I had the good sense to step back, think and never show up again.

[WellyP]

If Obama was born in Kenya to Stanley Ann, a US citizen he would have had to renounce any claim to Kenyan citizenship at age 18.

[blaquebyrd]

Like you I don'teadily have available evidence to refute this allegation. However; I find it more than hard to believe that our government would grant our representatives the sacred right to cast a vote to send their citizens off to war without granting them the access to prove the necessity of said aggression. That's why on this I'll have to call a big ole American BS!.

[1rudeboy]

Now with regard to that I'd like to see the statutory provision.

[Phantom Lord]

How did the father get the baby into the country?

Not being very good with FR's search functin, especially for stuff from several years ago I have no idea how to find the thread. But its in there somewhere and will answer many questions.

[sphinx]

This would appear to be a red herring.

But it would explain the dem obsession with McCain's citizenship status.

[Grampa Dave]

Why is the certificate # blacked out?

African is not a race! In 1961, wouldn't Negro or Negroid have been used to describe his Father's race instead of African?

Where is the indentation of the official seal and the folded marks, the rest of us have on our valid birth certificate copies?

Last but not least: What are the reverse purple lettering past the last entry line on the lower middle right? What do they mean, and why are they there?

Did Dan Blather's liar, Mary Mapes create this bs?

Is this phoney birth certificate just another example of the Real but Fake Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate for Changing America?

Compare this doctored and phoney BC with a real one shown below:

We probably have as much chance of seeing a real copy of his birth certificate as seeing John Kerry’s full military record. Kerry refused to release his military records, and Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate will probably not show his BC. We will be labeled as racists for daring to question his birth.

[2ndDivisionVet]

"If he was born outside of the US, but one of his parents is a US citizen, he can be naturalized as a US citizen."

A naturalized citizen cannot be president, per the U.S. Constitution.

[PghBaldy]

“Okubo said a copy of the birth certificate was requested this month, but she wouldn’t specify by whom. But as we know from our attempts to get one in April, Hawaii law states that only family members can access such records.” THAT is strange, as the date on the reverse stamp appears to say LAST YEAR... http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/article630058.ece

[PghBaldy]

Herte’s my guess- they got one, and found it was different than Obamas remembered- some detail is off, and decided to make a forged one instead of dealing with whatever issue, however slight, is there. Heck, it COULD say “Father: UNKNOWN.” I would not be surprised as the mother seemed unstable, to say the least.

[cookcounty]

I have a friend who was born in Africa with a US citizen for a mom and a Canadian citizen for a dad. She was not considered a “natural-born” US citizen (though she was automatically permanent resident-eligible), and had to go through a naturalization process.

[ricks_place]

The laws circa 1960 were written in such a way that one parent being a citizen, child born in a foriegn land - citizenship was NOT automatic. This was to prevent a flood of babies fathered by US Servicemen while abroad (sorry!).

Guess the law was not written to prevent married marxist foreign men from impregnating gullible American minor girls!