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[Canadian anti-free speech] Trial cites U.S. Web sites [FR cited]
Washington Times ^ | June 9, 2008 | Pete Vere

Posted on 06/08/2008 10:16:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Two American Web sites - one conservative, the other Catholic - are at the heart of a Canadian prov incial government hearing against Maclean's magazine, Canada's largest national newsweekly.

The magazine was brought before the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal after publishing an excerpt from Mark Steyn's best-seller "America Alone" under the title "The Future Belongs to Islam." The first part of the hearing began last Monday and ran until Friday afternoon.

The American Web sites introduced by the complainants are FreeRepublic, a popular conservative discussion forum, and Catholic Answers, an evangelism and apologetics site popular among young Catholics. Both American sites are based in California.

Faisal Joseph, an attorney for the Muslim group that brought the charges against Maclean's, introduced discussions on the two U.S. sites as evidence that Mr. Steyn's 2006 article had exposed Muslims in North America to hate. Posters on both forums had commented on the Maclean's article, with some comments expressing strong anti-Islamic sentiment.

Mr. Joseph also cited postings from Five Feet of Fury, the Web site run by Canadian blogger Kathy Shaidle, and the Brussels Journal, a Web site that styles itself "the voice of conservatism in Europe."

Maclean's has no control over how anonymous Internet posters respond to articles that appear in its magazine - particularly when the Web sites hosting the discussion are outside Canada's jurisdiction and the commentators are Americans protected by the First Amendment, attorneys for Maclean's argued.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; freespeech; marksteyn; steyn
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Mr. Fatah also dared Canada's human rights tribunals, which he referred to as "a politically correct ... kangaroo ... troika," to bring a case against him for repeating many of Mr. Steyn's criticisms of radical Islamists.

"I would love to be hauled before the tribunal," he said. "I would tell them to their faces that you are political appointees, this is not a court of law ... and you are not judges, you are jokers."

1 posted on 06/08/2008 10:16:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

And so the big chill begins. Gentlemen, start your engines!


2 posted on 06/08/2008 10:22:51 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Jim Robinson

I would love to spend a few minutes with these socialists and their terror enabling knee-padders. They’d be Toothless in Vancouver.


3 posted on 06/08/2008 10:26:50 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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“I would tell them to their faces that you are political appointees, this is not a court of law ... and you are not judges, you are jokers.”

So...What else can one say? He says it all, and well.


4 posted on 06/08/2008 10:28:11 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Sounds like Canada is turning ChiComese.


5 posted on 06/08/2008 10:31:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Mr. Fatah is right on.


6 posted on 06/08/2008 10:36:19 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thugs with a government seal of approval. These commissars and their show trials are a disgrace, and this travesty goes on with a Conservative Prime Minister no less. Shameful.


7 posted on 06/08/2008 10:36:44 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Jim Robinson

I log into FR every day expecting a ban notice.

That’s not meant as a dig at you, but at what’s going to be required in the not so distant future for any public discussion forum that wants to survive the enemy lovers’ rise to power.

Freedom of Speech has been redefined from something guaranteeing Americans’ ability to stand up to their own government, into something that gives absolute protection to any and all hostile ideologies that demand the destruction of the US.

And, “protection of the freedom of speech” is now morphing to mean prosecuting anyone who dares speak out against an enemy ideology which is designed to destroy the US.

We are not so far behind the Canadians and the EUnix on this.


8 posted on 06/08/2008 10:36:51 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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Noting that several U.S. states are considering legislation that would institute similar human rights commissions and tribunals, Mr. Coyne said Americans should take a close look at what is happening with the Maclean's hearing before adopting these institutions.

Say what? What states?

9 posted on 06/08/2008 10:40:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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Coming soon to a State near you. An inhuman rights commission.


10 posted on 06/08/2008 10:41:14 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: jazusamo; rockinqsranch
Mr. Fatah is right on.

How dare you say that?!? That can't be! He's a Muzzie, and we at FR all know that Muzzies can't be right! </sarc>

11 posted on 06/08/2008 10:46:47 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: TigersEye

Pennylvania, for one.

Heck, they already have one in Philadelphia. Ever heard of Joey Vento and Geno’s Steaks?


12 posted on 06/08/2008 10:49:02 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Ontario Human Rights Commission dropped a similar case; apparently the British Columbia version figures to take up where they left off.


13 posted on 06/08/2008 10:51:44 PM PDT by skr (I serve a risen Savior!)
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How can our comments be used to fine or arrest a person in another country, when we have nothing to do with him?

This law in Canada cannot stand for long. "Guilt by non-association" is being used to take someone down?

Anyone here want to say violent things about this Canadian law, such that the backers of the law are charged with inciting violence and are put in jail as a result??

14 posted on 06/08/2008 10:52:06 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: jazusamo

Fatah is daring this political tribunal to drag him before them so he can call them a bunch of jokers. He thinks the tribunal will likely provoke a backlash against Muslims.


15 posted on 06/08/2008 10:55:44 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Gondring
Ever heard of Joey Vento and Geno’s Steaks?

Yeah. I thought he told them to stuff it?

Ever read Franz Kafka? That seemed so bizarre when I read that stuff 35 years ago.

16 posted on 06/08/2008 10:59:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: Red Steel

That’s what it looks like and I’d be surprised if the tribunal pushes it, they know Fatah will make a lot more noise than he already has.


17 posted on 06/08/2008 11:02:33 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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A practicing Muslim, Mr. Fatah accused the Canadian Islamic Congress of being agent provocateurs for Islamists by trying to provoke such a backlash.

"My feeling is - and I could be wrong - but they're trying to trigger a backlash against Muslims, so that the imams and the Hamas and the Hezbollah people back in the Middle East can say: 'Look, we told you that the West is at war with Islam,'" he said.

I wonder if McClean's lawyers have considered calling Mr. Fatah as a witness?

18 posted on 06/08/2008 11:11:43 PM PDT by jellybean (Write in Fred! - Proud Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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Canadian hate speech rules - like US lib efforts to attack talk radio are for all practical purposes just the politically-correct equivalent of “book burnings.” It’s evil-appeasing state terrorism designed to create a submissive, divided, ignorant and controllable population.


19 posted on 06/08/2008 11:17:46 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Jim Robinson

Terrorism is a psychological strategy for gaining political ends by deliberately creating a climate of fear and intimidation among the civilian population. When people are afraid to express their thoughts, to engage in free speech and association, to the point where they are even afraid to think certain thoughts because they may be construed as “hate,” then they are no longer free. They have lost their freedom of conscience.


20 posted on 06/09/2008 1:07:05 AM PDT by marsh2
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