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Plane's engines quit before crash
Coeur d'Alene Press ^ | May 13, 2008 | Tom Greene

Posted on 05/14/2008 9:20:18 AM PDT by PrivateIdaho

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To: Wings-n-Wind

Good thought. When my dad was requalifying in DC-3s after WWII, he was doing a night checkout with two other pilots. The check pilot intended to pull an engine on takeoff, and something happened where he ended up feathering the good engine.

Hello, golf course. Everyone was fine, but it put a big furrow in the fairway. Good thing my dad was a golfer - he knew where the nice, long fairway was.


41 posted on 05/14/2008 7:38:27 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: george76

Lives in CDA - PP ASEL plus Instrument. Multi student. Certificated in 2004, needs corrective glasses. Third class medical.

Must be a new plane for him, his registration os 10/2007 for the Beech E-55 (is that a Baron?). Haven’t seen anything on the Beech owners list I subscribe to.


42 posted on 05/14/2008 7:48:51 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: bootless

oops.

os = is


43 posted on 05/14/2008 7:55:00 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: wrench

Students are required to show a passport or other proof of citizenship. Try filing for a certificate or even getting a check ride without it.


44 posted on 05/14/2008 7:55:44 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: KeyLargo
"However with the price of 100 LL going between $6 to $7 and rising, per gallon in California that will change."

I paid $4.67 per gallon today here in Alabama. Planes are mobile. Come get some.

45 posted on 05/14/2008 8:04:04 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: bootless

Remember this ?


A new report on a Montrose plane crash that killed two men in July suggests the plane could have been low on fuel. The preliminary report from National Transportation Safety Board investigator Arnold Scott doesn’t come to any conclusions on the cause of the crash.

The report said the flight began in Rifle earlier that morning and a serviceman who checked the plane’s fuel tanks found them to be about half full. The report said Gibson refused an offer to fill them up.

The report quoted witnesses who said the plane was making no noise before it hit and that the propeller wasn’t turning.

http://cbs4denver.com/local/Colorado.News.Montrose.2.554378.html

“According to witnesses, they did not hear sounds coming from the airplane and saw little if any rotation of the propeller,”

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=340087a9-af9b-44c0-8143-d1b61c21a00e


46 posted on 05/14/2008 8:05:06 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: CodeToad

They can’t even be students here without a passport, so that is a non problem for foreign students. The 9/11 19 all had passports AND visas!

As I stated, there are millions of foreigners in this country, and many of them are here as students. They can take flight instruction just as easily as chemistry or physics.

If you think for one minute the TSA is any more effective than any of the other alphabet .gov agencies, you need to get out more.

BTW, There will never be another attack using aircraft, that train has left the station. Car bombs are our future.


47 posted on 05/14/2008 8:15:50 PM PDT by wrench
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To: george76

Yup. I hate it when pilots do that.


48 posted on 05/14/2008 8:24:29 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: wrench
The US has the most inexpensive flight instruction in the world. Any airport with a flight instructor is likely to have foreign students, been this way for more than 40 years, nothing new.

Just more evidence that NOTHING changed after 9/11. Blackbird.

49 posted on 05/15/2008 4:39:59 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (2008 Election: Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest!)
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To: BunnySlippers

Wrench gave you a good answer. To his answer I would add the infrastructure. Europe for example has more controlled airspace. Addiitonal fees are imposed in Europe for landings and instrument approaches.


50 posted on 05/15/2008 6:12:32 AM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: Wings-n-Wind

The FAA’s Practical Test Standards for multiengine aircraft says not to initiate an engine failure on the take-off roll at speeds greater than fifty percent of Vmc.


51 posted on 05/15/2008 6:14:01 AM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: CodeToad

I disagree. The flight schools I work with accept foreign students equally with U.S. citizens. The burden of proof as to the legitimacy of the the foreign student is on the TSA. The student has to go through an extensive TSA performed background check including fingerprints. All the school does is verify that the student’s request for training is legitimate, upload a photograph of the student to the TSA’s website, and advises the TSA when the student has completed or terminated their training. This requirement is for students seeking private, instrument, multiengine or training on aircraft greater than 12,500 pounds MGTOW or that are turbojet powered.


52 posted on 05/15/2008 6:18:53 AM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: CodeToad

FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR FLIGHT TRAINING VALIDATION RULE CHECKLIST
http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/checklist.pdf

Guarding The Gate: Flight Instructors Duties Under TSA’s Alien Flight Training/Citizenship Validation Rule

By Gregory J. Reigel

© 2005 All rights reserved.

If you are a Certified Flight Instructor (“CFI”) and you have wanted to somehow contribute to post-9/11 aviation security, now is your chance. Even if such a desire wasn’t high on the priority list, unfortunately, CFI’s no longer have a choice. Under the new Transportation Security Administration (“TSA”) Alien Flight Training Rule, CFI’s now have a legal responsibility to confirm whether their students are U.S. Citizens and to follow additional security procedures if their students are citizens of a country other than the U.S. excerpt

http://www.aerolegalservices.com/Articles/TSA%20Alien%20Flight%20Training%20Rule.shtml

SECURITY PROCEDURES
http://www.palmbeachhelicopters.com/ussecurity.html


53 posted on 05/15/2008 6:48:01 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737
Conpletely concur....

My surmise above was simulating loss of power "just airborne"...

During cleanup "on-the-go" was my favorite "surprise"...
Back in the day...

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Thanks for your response!

FLY SAFE!!
TEACH SAFETY SAFELY!!

All the Blessings...

54 posted on 05/15/2008 8:51:43 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: milford421; DAVEY CROCKETT

http://www.google.com/search?q=Hamid+A+Wasti&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

ping.


55 posted on 05/15/2008 12:49:59 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: Billthedrill

” How far can we fly on one engine?”
“ All the way to the crash.”

Ron White


56 posted on 05/15/2008 2:30:48 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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