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1948, Israel, and the Palestinians—The True Story
Commentary Magazine ^ | May 2008 | Efraim Karsh

Posted on 05/04/2008 10:37:41 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah

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To: lentulusgracchus

I love your comments. The author may have some valid points, however, he lost all credibility in the very first sentance.


21 posted on 05/05/2008 4:42:05 AM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: Ooh-Ah

independence week bump


22 posted on 05/05/2008 4:59:00 AM PDT by safisoft
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To: Ooh-Ah
“FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL”, by Joan Peters

A MOST definitive work on the subject.
Comprehensive and exhaustive with (IIRC) a 150pg bibliography. Many muslim sources are also cited.

http://www.amazon.com/Time-Immemorial-Arab-Jewish-Conflict-Palestine/dp/0963624202

23 posted on 05/05/2008 7:33:50 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

see post 23


24 posted on 05/05/2008 7:37:13 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: TheThinker

Those Jews that the Arabs got along with were Sephardim & Mizrahim, native Middle Eastern Jews. They almost immediately began having problems with the European arrivals. Not even the ME Jews got along with the immigrating Jews, so enough said. Hell, they still don’t get along, so forget about the Arabs.

There’s no turning back the clock now & there’s no solution to a problem like that. The majority do want to destroy the Jews, whether actively (partaking in violent activities) or passively (providing moral support to those who do partake in the violence activities). As for those who do like the Jews, they either like only one kind of Jew & make demands that can never be met (”Throw out the white Jews!”), or have people in their immediate family who hate Jews rabidly & thus are a danger to all.

There is no point in trying to change the Arabs’ minds about Israel, the Hell with them. Israel’s well-being is what we need to worry about.

*There were some communities of religious European Jews that had come on their own & there were no problems with them, as they pretty much kept to themselves.


25 posted on 05/05/2008 9:45:00 AM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: Ooh-Ah
“in every cabinet where the prime minister is a Jew, the vice-premiership shall be offered to an Arab and vice-versa.”

This kind of naive arrangement doesn't work. See Lebanon.

On the face of it, Ben-Gurion’s hope rested on reasonable grounds. An inflow of Jewish immigrants and capital after World War I had revived Palestine’s hitherto static condition and raised the standard of living of its Arab inhabitants well above that in the neighboring Arab states.

More naive thinking. Many people would rather have a rotting country that belongs exclusively to them than a thriving country that pretty much belongs to someone else. I don't begrudge the Arabs this. Jews should think the same way when they meekly accept foreign countries telling us how to run our country, for fear of America cutting off their aid & European boycotts. Better a mat of my own than a house shared, as Mizrahim say.

& so this should be no surprise:

On the contrary . . . with almost mathematical precision the betterment of the economic situation in Palestine [has] meant the deterioration of the political situation.

26 posted on 05/05/2008 10:05:18 AM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: TheThinker

They have always hated Jews. But one can be relatively charitable to conquere peoples (dhimmi) who know their place. Think of Jim Crow south x5.


27 posted on 05/05/2008 10:33:27 AM PDT by rmlew (Don't Blame me. I voted for Hunter.)
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To: fredhead
I'm not sure that your tour guide could entirely be believed.
ARab's own more private land than Jews.
Arabs can and do serve in the military, although these are primarily Bedouin and Druze. Other Arabs can serve, but doing so puts their families at risk.
28 posted on 05/05/2008 10:36:48 AM PDT by rmlew (Don't Blame me. I voted for Hunter.)
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To: Ooh-Ah; Lando Lincoln; neverdem; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; King Prout; SJackson; dennisw; ...

One of the best articles on the subject I've ever read!

This ping list is not author-specific for articles I'd like to share. Some for the perfect moral clarity, some for provocative thoughts; or simply interesting articles I'd hate to miss myself. (I don't have to agree with the author all 100% to feel the need to share an article.) I will try not to abuse the ping list and not to annoy you too much, but on some days there is more of the good stuff that is worthy of attention. You can see the list of articles I pinged to lately  on  my page.
You are welcome in or out, just freepmail me (and note which PING list you are talking about). Besides this one, I keep 2 separate PING lists for my favorite authors Victor Davis Hanson and Orson Scott Card.  

29 posted on 05/06/2008 5:38:51 AM PDT by Tolik
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Bump for later..


30 posted on 05/06/2008 12:41:41 PM PDT by Yardstick
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