[Crimson Elephant]

I would like to see what this mess would look like if the Democrats simply proportioned the delegates according to %s in the states as a whole, and not the stupid district method. It makes no sense because a vote in rural PA in the Fall will count just as much to the Dem as a vote in Philly....its a statewide vote.

[LostInBayport]

“This popular vote thing? The only reason we’ve succumbed to it is that I’ve talked to superdelegates that want to know the total,” says Chuck Todd, NBC’s political director.

This is HillBilly's last hope...to surpass Obama in some sort of popular vote total by the convention and make the argument that individual votes should trump delegate counts. Apparently there is some fire underneath that smoke, assuming you can believe anything an NBC News reporter says.

And will the party that was screeching the same essential argument ad nauseum in 2000 reject it in 2008 to save Obama? Won't they be hypocrites? Won't it be a complete and utter debacle of a convention? Yes to all of the above...pass the popcorn, please.

[BillT]

Clinton’s math relies on counting votes from Florida and Michigan. (Of course, the DNC has stripped those states of their delegates for scheduling their primaries before the party’s calendar allowed..

I do not see anything wrong with Hillery's math. The only thing I have ever heard is that the delegates will not be counted. That does not mean that the votes can not be used.