I'll take the one with the jacquzi jets!
Posted on 04/21/2008 7:29:14 AM PDT by JRochelle
SAN ANGELO, Texas — Shortly after the raid began on the Fundamentalist LDS Church's YFZ Ranch, a group of Mormon missionaries sat down to eat at a restaurant here. A man shouted out "compound!"
"There was this guy. He held up a knife and yelled at us," said Elder Tyler Duffy from Orem.
Some of the fallout from the raid on the YFZ Ranch is being felt by members and missionaries for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. While the FLDS Church is not connected in any way to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, some Mormon faithful have said they feel they are being found guilty by association.
"There are some people here that believe anything bad about Mormons and that's what they're going to do," said Charles L. Webb, who serves as president of the Abilene, Texas, stake.
The LDS Church's presence in this part of Texas is small. The Abilene stake covers an area 25,000 square miles in size with about 3,000 members. There are only two LDS chapels in San Angelo, but a number of Baptist and other evangelical Christian churches. It's the polar opposite of Utah, where the LDS Church is the dominant faith.
In repeated statements, leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have differentiated between the two faiths and expressed disappointment that some news media outlets have lumped the two together.
"Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, often called Mormons, do not practice polygamy and they have not practiced polygamy for over a century," Elder Quentin L. Cook, an LDS apostle, said in a video clip the church recently posted on YouTube. The LDS Church has said there is no such thing as a "fundamentalist Mormon," although an estimated 37,000 people who practice it consider themselves as such. Fundamentalists argue that the LDS Church has strayed from its original doctrine by abandoning the practice of polygamy in 1890.
Here in the Bible belt, many LDS members have had to explain the differences in their faiths — the practice of polygamy being the chief example.
Clinton Hudson, a student at Sonora High School, is a member of a Christian student fellowship. During a lunchtime meeting, he said one student said they should pray for the children taken in the raid. Another student said they should "pray for the Mormons."
"I approached her and said, 'They're not Mormons. They're fundamentalists. They broke off from the church' and described our history and how they broke off. It really helped a lot," Hudson said Sunday. "It was a great opportunity to get them to understand there's a difference between them and us."
Not everyone is interested in hearing their explanations.
Duffy said he was speaking with a man interested in converting to the LDS Church. After the raid, the man gave them back a copy of the Book of Mormon, saying he did not want to hear from them again.
"He didn't even give us time to explain," Duffy said.
As they go door-to-door, the missionaries have had to alter their introductions a little to clarify the differences between the two faiths.
"We're not from the church in Eldorado, but we share this message," said Elder Nicolas Librandi, from Murray.
Some have lashed out at the missionaries, blaming polygamy and allegations of child-bride marriages on the LDS Church. But some say there is more interest in the mainstream church, and its message.
"The purposes of God won't be frustrated," said Elder Ryan Bartley, from Carmichael, Calif.
Webb said he has discouraged members from helping out in the name of the LDS Church to avoid confusion between the two faiths, but said they should offer their services as individuals. The local Baptist congregations have contracts to provide relief services in disaster situations.
San Angelo 2nd Ward Bishop Jeffrey Bushman was contacted by a chaplain helping the FLDS women when they were being housed at Fort Concho. The women had requested copies of the Book of Mormon.
He sent them some copies.
"They didn't have anything or bring anything with them, I guess, and they wanted some scriptures and they asked for the Book of Mormon," Bushman said. "I didn't mind. We don't ever mind giving out (copies of the) Book of Mormon to people."
“Well, what we have are a certain group of mainstream moron buttholes who have decided to accuse us of being in cahoots with that bunch of lowlifes down in Texas. Any scumbag that can’t tell the difference deserves whatever abuse he or she gets from me. And I really don’t care what you like or dislike. I have suffered through interminable repeated posts by your pal Elsie over the past year or so and mine are NOTHING compared to the vile hypocracy coming from that keyboard.”
I cannot understand for the life of me how you (moderator) can let this moron continue to post here after banning Elsie and Restoru for far less offensive comments that this idiot posts. Calling people here buttholes???? What’s with this???
I'll take the one with the jacquzi jets!
Among other things, Smith lied about his relationship with Alger several times before finally admitting responsibility.
Smith would go on to lie repeatedly about his sexual deviancy -- one of the most notable incidents being his "I'm greater than Jesus" speech (for enduring the pain of being "falsely accused" of plural marriage and serial adultery) given a few days before publication of the Nauvoo Expositor.
And Cowdery would go on to join the Methodist Church, where he would confess his shame and admit he never was a witness to the Golden Plates.
What’s your problem, truth hurts? Are you one of the mainstream moron buttholes to whom I was referring?
I think that is putting it mildly.;)
Smith would go on to lie repeatedly about his sexual deviancy -- one of the most notable incidents being his "I'm greater than Jesus" speech (for enduring the pain of being "falsely accused" of plural marriage and serial adultery) given a few days before publication of the Nauvoo Expositor.
There were a number of leadership challenges as well as internal squabbling amongst Joey's inner circle at the time too. So naturally, smith reaches into his bag of 'revelations' to woo the mormon sheep. And Cowdery would go on to join the Methodist Church, where he would confess his shame and admit he never was a witness to the Golden Plates.
Many of the witnesses ended up leaving the church and following other leaders and religions such as Jesse Strang, the Shakers, Methodists, etc. By 1847 not a single one of the surviving eleven witnesses was part of the LDS Church.
IN THE FREEPER COURT
OF PUBLIC OPINION
RELIGON DIVISION
LADY LAWYER
)
Plaintiff, )
) No. 4:23CV2008
v. )
) JURY TRIAL DEMANDED
UNNAMED FREEPER SWINE )
)
Defendants. )
DEFENDANTS UNNAMED FREEPER SWINE MOTION FOR MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFF’S COMPLAINT
COME NOW Defendants Unnamed FReeper Swine (“FReeper Swine”) and move this Court pursuant to Rule 12(e) of the Federal Rules of FReeper Procedure for a more definite statement of Plaintiff’s Complaint. Defendants FReeper Swine need a more definite statement so that they can understand and accurately respond to Plaintiff’s allegations. Specifically, FReeper Swine are entitled to a more definite statement that clarifies: (1) which of FReeper Swine statements are alleged to attack another’s religion “the way these people do”. 2) Which of FReeper Swine are alleged to be a “vile person” and 3) Which “vile” FReeper Swine are alleged to dwell in nests.
I.
LEGAL STANDARD
A complaint must plead facts sufficient to (1) put the defendant on notice of the claims alleged against it, and (2) reasonably permit the defendant to respond to the allegations. Darwin Inc. v. Creation Specialty Co., 322 FR. Supp. 2d 260, 265 (E.D.N.Y. 2004). Under Rule 12(e), “if a post to which a responsive post is permitted is so vague or ambiguous that a poster cannot reasonably be required to frame a responsive pleading, the poster may move for a more definite statement before interposing a responsive post.” FR. R. Civ. P. 12(e). Despite the liberal pleading requirements under Rule 8, “[a] motion for more definite statement is proper when a poster is unable to determine issues he must meet, or where there is a major ambiguity or omission in the complaint that renders it unanswerable.” restornu. v. Religion Mod., No. 4:06CV01117 RWS, 2006 N&A 3210497, at *4 (E.D. Mo. Nov. 3, 2006) (citing Tinderbox v. Flame War Asbestos Underwear Dist., 207 FR. Supp. 2d 951, 959 (E.D. Mo. 2001)). Ultimately, an accused depraved and wicked ought to have “sufficient knowledge of the facts alleged to enable it to answer the complaint and defend itself.” AntiPhonometrics, Inc. v. Hospital Barf Alert Franchise Sys., 203 FR.3d 790, 794 (Fed. Cir. 2000). For this reason, the pleading requirements are intended to “permit the court and the litigants to know, at the pleading stage, who is being complained about and the grounds for same, thereby facilitating the just, speedy, and inexpensive determination of the action.” Bay at the Moon., Inc. v Decaf Mfg., LLC, No. 06-C-1010, 2006 WL 3469599, at *3 (E.D. Wis. Nov. 29, 2006).
).
II.
DEFENDANTS FREEPER SWINE ARE ENTITLED TO A MORE DEFINITE STATEMENT DESCRIBING WHICH OF THEIR NUMEROUS POSTS OVER THE YEARS ARE ACCUSED OF VILENESS AND WHICH POSTER ARE ALLEGED TO DWELL IN NESTS.
In the Motion for More Definite Statement, Original Defendants allege that the Complaint provides absolutely no indication whatsoever as to which statements made by Defendants actually give rise to the allegations of turpitude. The Original Defendants also correctly noted that Plaintiff fails to identify the specific claims of wickedness Original Defendants’ statements are alleged to violate.
Likewise, Plaintiff’s claims in its Amended Complaint of Wickedness against Defendant FReeper Swine fail for the same reasons. Similar to the Original Defendants, FReeper Swine make, and over a decade covered by the statements made, have made countless statements. Plaintiff’s allegations give FReeper Swine (and the Court) no clue as to which statements are subject to Plaintiff’s allegations. Plaintiffs’ Complaint simply reads that FReeper Swine “attack another’s religion the way these people do. And there is a nest of such vile people on FR”, etc. See First Amended Complaint, ¶¶ 27, 32. In order to answer Plaintiffs Complaint, Defendants would be forced to evaluate each and every one of their statements over the years against each of the various claims of post #22, and determine which ones cames from nests. This task is entirely unmanageable and unduly burdensome. As such, FReeper Swine are entitled to a more definite statement.
Under Rule 8, Plaintiff has the simple burden of identifying specific turpitudous posts. If Plaintiff has a good faith basis that actual turpitude occurred, it can surely identify the posts which supposedly are terpitudous.
Plaintiff identifies no specific statement or post by FReeper Swine at any time that infringes any identified claim in controversy. See First Amended Complaint. As such, FReeper Swine request the Court to order Plaintiff to provide a more definite statement for the same reasons set forth in Original Defendant’s Motion for More Definite Statement, referenced and incorporated herein.
III.
CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, Defendants are entitled to a more definite statement and respectfully requests that this Court require Plaintiff to amend its Complaint (1) to specifically identify the statements and FReeper Swine that Plaintiff is accusing of turpitude in #22, 2) Which of FReeper Swine are alleged to be “vile”” and 3) Which “vile” FReeper Swine are alleged to dwell in nests.
Dated: April 23, 2008 Respectfully submitted,
Diamond
SOVEREIGN, GRACE & MERCY L.L.P.
1776 Calvin Dr.
Arminius, Texas 75503
(666) 794-HELL (telephone)
(666) 79H-ADES (facsimile)
LOL.
82 MINUTES????
It appears that PIG just may have converted to Mormonism.
Which BRANCH of it remains to be seen...
Ummmm, too many Mormons "look the other way" at the sick "marriage" (rape) of young girls to dirty old perverts.
Calling pedophilia a religion doesn't make it so.
If Mormons want their good name back, they better start turning in child rapists faster than the law can arrest them...
DUH!
What HASN'T!!!?
Especially that wienie snivveling backdown in the 1890's!
What a bunch of spineless jerks!!!
We, of the TRUE Mormonhood: the FUNDAMENTALIST Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints sure are NOT afraid of of the big, bad GOVERNMENT!
Let 'em come in and harrass our wimmen and chillen!!
Let them look like fools on TV!
Let 'em flex their muscles; we don't care, because GOD has COMMANDED us to the lifestyle we have.
We OBEY GOD's word (as accurate as it might be) found in D&C #132!
A buckket of warm p*** is all them folks at Headquarters in SLC are worth.
--FundyMormonDude(Holdin' to the TRUTH as it was delivered to the Saints!!!)
Is that an echo I hear..........
Amicus curiae, “Friend of the Court” brief filed by The Flying Inmans.
IN THE FREEPER COURT
OF PUBLIC OPINION
RELIGION DIVISION
LADY LAWYER,
)
Plaintiff, )
) No. 4:23CV2008
)
) JURY TRIAL
DEMANDED
UNNAMED FREEPER SWINE )
)
Defendants )
As representation secured by The Flying Inmans (TFI), the TFI believe Lady Lawyer is attempting to impose a new previous unrecognizable standard as pertaining to thread jurisprudence precedence. By transforming the previous standard known as ordre public to a swine-based standard of odor public, this “messing” with words flung at the broadest of targets is amounting to a pig sty.
Given the etymological development of the word “sty” as having originated in its native tongue from the word, “stewardship,” this lack of civil stewardship in combination with an appeal to base unFReeperable mollification collaterally conducted at-large in shameless disregard of a civil preponderance of posts, only serves to inject greater oxidation of an e-process that remains unedified when such occurrences of thread hydrous ferric oxide (rust erosion) is unveiled in the form of condescension and e-frowning.
Furthermore, overbroad and vague and amorphous language--not to mention being potentially limitless in extension so as to be untenable and workable as regards public exchange—threatens to return FReeper civilization to utter barbarism. Such vague and undefined terms that prevent legitimate discourse allow unbridled discretion to be circulated and imposed upon the FReeper community at will.
As Pacific Legal Foundation attorneys filed in an Amicus Curaie involving an appeal before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, “as America's founders warned us long ago, vague law is the most dangerous sort of oppression, because it allows rulers to punish anything at any time, by simply redefining the ambiguous words in the law.”
We second that legal emotion, only broaden its application: “as America's founders warned us long ago, vague claims are the most dangerous sort of oppression, because it allows self-assigned thread policemen to arrest any comment at any time, by simply redefining the ambiguous words in the thread.”
The Flying Inmans seek redress regarding its inflammatory treatment as The Oinking Porkmans, and respectfully request relief from such injurious words.
The Flying Inmans
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LOL:^0
Cordially,
SOMEone was complaining that dealing with mainstreamers leaves a bad taste in their mouth.
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