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To: conservativegramma
You are splitting hairs here.

All I did was to quote 14 separate major translations which all described the relationship of Hagar to Abram as "WIFE."

This passage in no way provides any support whatsoever that God ever condoned or permitted polygamy.

Go through all my posts and show me ONCE where I even hinted at that suggestion. It seems to me that YOU are the one splitting hairs. I am simply pointing out the obvious.

Oh the depths that men will go to excuse sin out of the depravity of their own hearts..............

Was that comment directed to me?

1,973 posted on 04/10/2008 6:13:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
All I did was to quote 14 separate major translations which all described the relationship of Hagar to Abram as "WIFE."

Yes and it makes absolutely no difference at all whether Hagar was a slave, wife, concubine or whatever. That's my point. This sin was Sarai's sin and sin is sin is sin here. There is absolutely no indication that God ever commanded Sarai to give Hagar to Abram - in whatever capacity Hagar may have been in. The results of this sin (Ishmael) was and continues to be a complete disaster for the nation of Israel.

Go through all my posts and show me ONCE where I even hinted at that suggestion. It seems to me that YOU are the one splitting hairs. I am simply pointing out the obvious.

No not at all. Your posts have been fairly consistent in condemning polygamy. I make this post to suggest that we continue on that topic - condemning polygamy - and to continue to teach that God does not nor never has condoned such actions by sinful humanity. So to focus on whether Hagar was a wife, slave, or concubine just distracts from the central issue of whether or not God condoned polygamy in this instance. Focusing on the 'wifely' status of Hagar is generally what defenders of polygamy do. Instead the focus should be on the sinfulness of Sarai in ever giving Hagar to Abram to begin with, and then Abram's weak submissive response, along with the resultant devasting consequences that have now lasted over 3,000 years. That's my point.

Was that comment directed to me?

No,that commment was directed at anyone who seeks to defend polygamy based on the Old Testament practice of it.

1,988 posted on 04/10/2008 7:02:50 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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