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Jeers and loathing at rights tribunal [Steyn in attendance]
National Post [Canada] ^ | Tuesday, March 25, 2008 | Joseph Brean

Posted on 03/25/2008 6:21:04 PM PDT by canuck_conservative

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Expect some juicy upcoming articles about this, by both Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant, 'cuz we know they'll have some choice comments to make.
1 posted on 03/25/2008 6:21:07 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

I tell you, this just chills me to the bone reading this. This is why we have to fight this speech code crap with every fiber.


2 posted on 03/25/2008 6:27:59 PM PDT by lawnguy (The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil-Cicero)
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Almost all the Section 13 cases have been filed by none other than Richard Warman. Lots of hate in the Dominion.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 03/25/2008 6:28:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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4 posted on 03/25/2008 6:29:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: canuck_conservative; backhoe; conniew; fanfan; Rb ver. 2.0; ari-freedom; davidosborne; ovrtaxt; ...

Canada Free Speech Ping.


5 posted on 03/25/2008 6:29:53 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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We can all thank Liberal MP Keith Martin for sponsoring a Private Members' bill to repeal Section 13. Its an affront to democracy and freedom of conscience.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 03/25/2008 6:35:37 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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The problem with special interest commissions is that they have to justify their existance, and I have hardly every found a special interest organization that didn’t at points go to the extreme to support their cause.

Human Rights Commissions have to find evidence of evil doing or their commission is pointless. Government players can play fast and loose with the rules while your average citizen is a sitting duck waiting to be picked off if they react to the enticement improperly.

I am not a supporter of hate sites, but I have seen how the government pounces, considering everyone in sight to be an evil perp. There are times when folks aren’t evil, they have simply done stupid things that make them look so.

If there are hate sites out there, and there certainly are, why does the government have to play along to get convictions? If the hate sight qualifies as a hate sight, then prosecute. If it doesn’t qualify, then move along and quite trying to catch somebody in something.

It is baffling to me with so many sights out there with obvious problems, that federal agencies seem to have some need to enhance things to make a clear cut case.

I’m sure there’s more than enough problematic sights in Canada for this Human Rights Commission to keep busy with them and leave the borderline folks alone. Either that or there isn’t as many problematic sights out there as they would like us to believe.


7 posted on 03/25/2008 6:37:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Some think McCain should pick his No 2 now. I thought the nominee was No 2. And that No 1s me off!)
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My FRiend, you folks to the North need the equivalent of both our first ans second amendments.


8 posted on 03/25/2008 6:44:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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The problem is three fold. The commissions operate in secret, they are bound by the rules of normal evidence and the process under which they operate is fundamentally unfair. So its no surprise that given this setup, all Section 13 cases to date have resulted in a 100% conviction rate. In fact, truth is no defense and its the defendant that bears all the costs and has to prove their innocence. Thus, Canada's Human Rights Commissions have justly earned the sobriquet "Star Chamber." In a free society that prizes a presumption of innocence, due process under the law and giving people the benefit of the doubt, the commissions mock, by their proceedings, all these age old values of Western Civilization. The fate of Mark Steyn is already a foregone conclusion.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

9 posted on 03/25/2008 7:00:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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In the Ernst Zundel case, a tribunal of the Canadian Human Rights Commission ruled that “truth is not a defense” when testimony was presented that what had been said was actually true...


10 posted on 03/25/2008 7:02:09 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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I am not a supporter of hate sites,

Good... because Freedominion.ca is the Canadian version of FreeRepublic... or at least it was modeled after FR. In Canada, Jim Robinson would be hauled up before a Canadian Human Rights Commission tribunal for some of the things we write about democrats and muslim Jihadists...

11 posted on 03/25/2008 7:16:45 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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Hmmm, is there a ‘reader’s digest’ version of what is going on here? This article is hard to follow.


12 posted on 03/25/2008 7:23:34 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Swordmaker

Hey Jadewarr, come and get me you hate mongering, evil loving communists. I live in Colorado, USA.


13 posted on 03/25/2008 7:25:19 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Not liking my choices in this election!)
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I belong to an association where the past chairman is automatically the chair of the ethics committee. I remember hearing one report gleefully of no business. I was concerned then. I don’t expect my association’s ethics committee would ever have gone overboard but the Canadian example seems to illustrate a politically motivated policing of ethics. Our chair wasn’t paid; these clowns need to justify their paycheck.


14 posted on 03/25/2008 7:30:52 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: Swordmaker
On the tribunal of the Canadian Human Rights Commission ruling.

"truth is not a defense".

Let that be their epitaph.

15 posted on 03/25/2008 7:38:12 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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If the hate sight qualifies as a hate sight, then prosecute.

Hate by whose definition? The gubmint can measure me going 10 miles over the speed limit. The gubmint can determine that I withheld $10 that I should have paid in taxes. The gubmint can sift the evidence and find me guilty of shooting someone. How in God's name can they ascertain the level of dislike I might have for one or more of my neighbors? Much less determine a level of punishment if I cross that arbitrary, undefinable line.

16 posted on 03/25/2008 7:41:47 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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even with all these revelations there is approaching a 0% chance that Mr. Lemire will be “acquitted” by the Human Rights Commission.

No one has EVER been acquitted by the Human Rights Commission.


17 posted on 03/25/2008 7:41:55 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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controversial far-right and white supremacist Web sites

Free Dominion, which was accessed by "Jadewarr", would not fit either of these descriptions.

18 posted on 03/25/2008 7:42:58 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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Notably, however, we all await the decision.

Are the guilty sent to gulags? Just asking.

19 posted on 03/25/2008 7:49:05 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Damn it Canada, you used to be somebody! Canadians used to be the good guys. Canadians fought Kaiser Bill, Hitler, even the North Koreans.

Now they could be headed the way of all fascist states.


20 posted on 03/25/2008 7:55:36 PM PDT by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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