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War of the Worlds: The Human Side of Moore's Law (technology, culture, and education commentary)
PBS ^ | March 21, 2008 | Robert X. Cringely

Posted on 03/23/2008 6:51:28 AM PDT by FreedomPoster

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The commentary on education is pretty interesting. The fact that this was actually published by PBS, even more so.
1 posted on 03/23/2008 6:51:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster

Great read...Interesting take on public education, and I am sure the lefty teachers who listen to PBS are not pleased.


2 posted on 03/23/2008 6:59:38 AM PDT by milwguy (........)
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger

Ping, for your consideration.


3 posted on 03/23/2008 7:07:06 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Typical White American)
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The fact that this was actually published by PBS, even more so.

Actually, the article has some truth; but it's squarely in the PBS camp in a lot of regards. He and our educational establishment both believe that kids really don't have to know stuff. He buzzwords it as "moving from the knowledge based economy to the search based economy." That is just another excuse for not teaching stuff to our kids.

The reality is that you can have the biggest, most powerful search engine in the world and it doesn't mean a thing if you are searching for information about Brittany Spears. Being able to search is founded on a knowledge base that tells you that you need to search, that a search of a particular sort may be useful, and the whether the result are meaningful.

So instead of dumping all that silly "knowledge" stuff, the internet makes it MUCH more important. Ironically, the best education right now is a classical education. Very broad and designed to instill context. The internet is meaningless without that info being put in context.

4 posted on 03/23/2008 7:10:36 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: FreedomPoster
Robert X. Cringely

IIRC, this fellow was the host (and/or writer?) of a PBS show
about the birth of the personal computer.
I think the title was "Revenge of The Geeks"; it was a fairly
good show (meaning it was really good for something done by PBS!)
5 posted on 03/23/2008 7:17:47 AM PDT by VOA
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I only "grazed" the piece so I didn't see if the emminent intellect that crafted it bothered to make the distinction between "information" and "knowledge," or between "knowledge" and "wisdom," or if he addressed whether there is any relationship at all between "information" and "wisdom" that is anything but coincidental.

I didn't see a distinction made between "medium" and "method" and how these affect "perception," something I would think would be front and center on an educator's radar...

Finally, if society's collective intelligence, after a generation so, is based on machinery and common databases, then I suppose the old saw "knowledge is power" takes on a whole new meaning - one that ought to put the fear of God into everyone. And what sorts of citizens will we be by then; and what sorts of citizens will we be when the foundations are manipulated or rendered useless?

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If you're not a one, you're a zero.

6 posted on 03/23/2008 7:18:36 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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> They are ready to dump our schools.

Anyone who thinks this even possible, seriously
misunderstands the purpose of government schools.
They have nothing to do with topical education.

The goals of government schools are:
1. Perpetuation of the government school system.
2. Indoctrination of teacher union dogma.
3. [irrelevant - everything else is subordinate to 1&2]


7 posted on 03/23/2008 7:22:31 AM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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I've written about this for years and nobody ever paid attention, but ISO certification is what destroyed the U.S. manufacturing economy.

Someone who thinks that is probably wrong about a lot of other things too.

If anything 'destroyed' the US manufacturing, and there is very little actual evidence that it's destroyed, it's the myraid of OSHA, EPA, ADA, and a scores of other Leftist regulations that punish employers for hiring people, using our God given natural resources (trees and oil come to mind), or for selling a product at a profit.

8 posted on 03/23/2008 7:23:26 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Boundless

Pretty well so, as predicted by the Iron Law of Bureaucracy.


9 posted on 03/23/2008 7:35:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Typical White American)
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The Washington DC public schools spend over $13,000 per pupil per year. 12 x $13,000 = $156,000 to educate a single child.

But this school system reports that less than 10% of its graduates are proficient in math and science at graduation.

$156,000/0.10 = $1.56 MILLION! to graduate a single young adult who is proficient in math and science from this school district.

Let the excuse-making begin! When can we admit that the entire process of public schooling is a abject failure, one that wastes both enormous amounts of money, and wastes an enormous number of lives of the students who fail to achieve proficiency because of the very nature of the factory education the system insists on delivering?


10 posted on 03/23/2008 7:36:58 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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> ISO certification is what destroyed the U.S. manufacturing economy.
Probably the truest statement that I seen in a long time.
I’ve worked for 2 ISO certified companies (both out of business) and one company that made a conscious decision to never go ISO. It is thriving. I remember of CEO making a public statement 6 years ago that ISO culture is the quickest way to the unemployment line and it is true.


11 posted on 03/23/2008 7:43:02 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: FreedomPoster
Being "educated" is made up of two things: Learning certain things and learning how, in the future, to look up things that you didn't learn, or how to educate yourself further, when the need arises.

These certain things that are learned is the "Body of Knowledge". What Body of Knowledge do you need to watch Jeopardy and what Body of Knowledge do you need to be a contestant. I may not be able to answer all the questions on Jeopardy fast enough, but I could go to the library and look them up, or could buy reference books for home use to look them up, or now use the internet to look them up.

But, there has to be a body of knowledge that is common to everyone and used by everyone in society, or sub-groups of society. And, the Body of Knowledge that a society uses defines the society.

12 posted on 03/23/2008 7:45:17 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: the invisib1e hand

Agree completely with your comments. But the ability to access information will change the world, which I think is the main point of the commentary. Instead of only the elites of the world having this ability, soon everyone will...if they want it.

The basis for all education is wonder. Those that wonder why and are motivated, will find the answer. These are the knowledge seekers and ultimately the ones who move us forward. Now all of the seekers of answers to important questions have the means to get them. That has never been the case before.

But I believe that the only real problem we have here in America is that we do a poor job of educating those that wonder. I think the authors point is that now poor schools will get bypassed, and that’s a good thing.


13 posted on 03/23/2008 7:47:34 AM PDT by JeanLM
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To: BuffaloJack

How did ISO destroy the manufacturing?


14 posted on 03/23/2008 7:49:57 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Ben Ficklin; the invisib1e hand

I wouldn’t disagree with your statements.

The key point her brings, from my perspective, is Why does that core set on knowledge have to be imparted via the traditional education system? If you can independently certify that knowledge is in place, who cares about a degree from XYZ high school or ABC university?


15 posted on 03/23/2008 7:50:58 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Typical White American)
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To: BuffaloJack

All manufactures have always used or conformed to some type of certification. ISO is no different, only wider in scope.


16 posted on 03/23/2008 7:52:03 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin; the invisib1e hand

Jeez, need more coffee.

The key point here, from my perspective, is Why does that core set of knowledge have to be imparted via the traditional education system? If you can independently certify that knowledge is in place, who cares about a degree from XYZ high school or ABC university?


17 posted on 03/23/2008 7:52:48 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Typical White American)
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I think this is a good article.

With college tuition and expenses increasing at a rate of at least 5% to 10% per year it is increasingly hard for parents to justify guaranteeing an additional, seemingly automatic $2,000 a year more for student loans.

One of my sons witnessed those increases of $2,000 a year over 4 years for what? And the problem is, the student loan people keep loaning more money as if it justifies the increases in education spending. And exactly WHAT was improved that cost $8,000 more the 4th year that it did the 1st year of College?

Same with public secondary and elementary education. The costs keep going up, supported by tax formulas that keep going up. But the quality keeps going down. At what point do people start saying enough is enough? Can they continue supporting an automatically higher costing status quo? Or even worse, a decline or reduction of quality standards of education when not justified by increased costs?

Technology could indeed render traditional group schooling obsolete. Obviously the teachers unions and school administrators are going to fight to maintain their controlling grip on the educational standards they deem necessary for students. But the overriding motive behind traditional educators maintaing their grip on schooling is to maintain their legitimacy as employable and not expendable.


18 posted on 03/23/2008 7:54:26 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: JeanLM
Interesting. I gather you're an educator?

I have to flag this very idealistic statement:These are the knowledge seekers and ultimately the ones who move us forward.

The structure of modern civilization which is being overturned before our eyes used to vet and required proof of fitness for any who would rise to significant places of influence and/or power. That structure, where it hasn't already been undone, has decreasing credibility and effectiveness. In other words, insitutions that once protected are now doing so less and less; in fact, many have become hostile to their constituents.

When the means of power and influence are "open to all as never before [to paraphrase]" the question of fitness for it becomes paramount.

Those who are going to "move us forward:" are you sure you want them to?

In this wild-west of means that society is becoming, morality is the guidance and strength that is utterly required. But of course, the most persuasive and desirable of power seekers will be completely devoid of it.

The ramifications are startling.

"Knowledge is power" is now become a threat, because what passes for knowledge is but a shell of it and can be created on the fly and delivered en masse to...anyone, regardless of motive.

19 posted on 03/23/2008 7:56:30 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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To: FreedomPoster
The key point here, from my perspective, is Why does that core set of knowledge have to be imparted via the traditional education system? If you can independently certify that knowledge is in place, who cares about a degree from XYZ high school or ABC university?

because "traditional education" is a social experience, and humans are social beings.

20 posted on 03/23/2008 7:57:37 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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