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A brief for Whitey (“We hear the grievances. Where’s the gratitude?”)
World Net Daily ^ | March 21, 2008 | Patrick J Buchanan

Posted on 03/21/2008 3:57:54 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

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To: MrB

I once read a long article about why the countries of South America are so messed up, despite the fact that they have tremendous natural resources and so much about their situation would predict great success.

The author was a scholar from South America and his basic conclusion was that the problem was “values.”

Cultural and individual values constantly skuttled any potential these countries might have, in his view. Basically, he said (and provided much scholarly background and research for his conclusions) that the widespread assent to corruption-—just one example-—made it impossible to have a “real” economy and, therefore, for individuals to have a solid financial footing (one that didn’t shift with the bribes, e.g.).

Anyway, a long way to say it does come down to values/worldview. When a whole community ascribes to victimhood, you’re going to end up with a lot of . . . victims.


61 posted on 03/21/2008 6:37:16 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: semantic
Pat needs to bone up on liberal racial catechism - black social dysfunctions, including crime, illegitimacy, etc are a result of the destruction of the black family dating back to the slave era & Jim Crow period.

I know you're just repeating what the left holds onto as gospel, but it's been shown that the black family was growing more solid and successful until welfare programs were instituted.

So, like EVERY other social ill that we are experiencing, these things can be traced to a "liberal" policy.

62 posted on 03/21/2008 6:37:59 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: imintrouble
"Let the Obama Legacy be that finally the American people are going to say what has only been whispered for decades."

Yes. America should not pass on this opportunity to have an open discussion on the subject of race relations. And, as Pat drives home, both sides should have their voices heard and the facts should be acknowledged. If blacks want to continue to grumble relentlessly, offer the offenders plane tickets back to the Dark Continent so that they might realize their dreams.

63 posted on 03/21/2008 6:40:35 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: semantic
black social dysfunctions, including crime, illegitimacy, etc are a result of the destruction of the black family dating back to the slave era & Jim Crow period.

Rather, this dates back to LBJ and the welfare state.

We wouldnot be talking about any "racial divide" today had the government not divided the races by allowing one to become dependent upon welfare---and, eventually, organize itself to maximize welfare "benefits"---while the other continued to make personal responsibility it's organizing principle. Thanks, liberals.

64 posted on 03/21/2008 6:42:12 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
On being brought from Africa to America

Twas mercy brought me from my Pagan land,
Taught my benighted soul to understand
That there's a God, that there's a Saviour too:
Once I redemption neither sought nor knew.
Some view our sable race with scornful eye,
"Their colour is a diabolic dye."
Remember, Christians, Negroes, black as Cain,
May be refin'd, and join th' angelic train.´

By Phillis Wheatley (1753-1784), black poet

65 posted on 03/21/2008 6:42:42 AM PDT by Timmy
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans.

This stuff came from the government. The government is not white.

66 posted on 03/21/2008 6:44:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Maigrey

Man, I hope you are right!

There is a similar phenomenon going on with Mrs. Bill Clinton. Only the old ladies care about her feminazism.

I guess the key is for people of good will to speak up in love and not back down.


67 posted on 03/21/2008 6:45:23 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: All

Thanks for the responses directed to my name - it’s time for a Backlash - especially from the White people who have had witnessed laws set up to chain them from equal representation in the courts.

Time to settle this. The Black ‘leaders’ who have large mouths and small minds cannot speak to us any more they way they do when insisting we remain silent or we will be
punished financially.

There is an imbalance - we must say enough - that’s it - no more.

Let that be the Obama Legacy.


68 posted on 03/21/2008 6:45:32 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: dennisw

I understand your perspective and your intention. I think, though, the important point I was really alluding to was that we have somehow forgotten in this country some portions of our early history. An historical context worth remembering in my view—that is not all mistreatment was race-based but also basic opportunistic exploitation. I think it’s fair to say these facts aren’t emphasized in our public school curriculum at any level.


69 posted on 03/21/2008 6:50:00 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: Darnright
... and the country has paid billions trillions in the War on Poverty.

Fixed it for you.

70 posted on 03/21/2008 6:50:15 AM PDT by pnh102
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To: MrB
Bears repeating:

I know you're just repeating what the left holds onto as gospel, but it's been shown that the black family was growing more solid and successful until welfare programs were instituted.

So, like EVERY other social ill that we are experiencing, these things can be traced to a "liberal" policy.

Years ago I watched a whole week of "Black History Month" programming on PBS.

One thing that fascinated me was the interviews and taped footage of the black protesters and civil rights advocates. They were incredibly well-spoken and obviously educated. They were well-dressed and in every way comported and presented themselves as partners with the whites who were similarly active. It struck me how at that time, before the welfare state took its toll on the black community and actually created what we think of today as the inner city, the urban culture, the blacks and whites were speaking the same English, wearing the same clothes, reasoning from the same common "American" worldview. My point is that, more than anything else, it was the welfare state that stopped the natural progress of cultural integration and assimilation and created the separate and very unequal world of contemporary black victimhood.

71 posted on 03/21/2008 6:53:16 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: MrB
the black family was growing more solid and successful until welfare programs were instituted

See, it's still whitey's fault! LOL

Here's the underlying truth: Dems cannot win without 90% of the black vote - even if it dropped to 70%, they'd start losing every close election. So there is simply no scenario that would ever even hint at shifting just a smigin of responsibility that could potential erode that magic 90%.

72 posted on 03/21/2008 6:54:58 AM PDT by semantic
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To: Darnright

It’s 40 TRILLION in 40 years on the “war on poverty”, which, ironically, was originally dubbed the

“War on Dependence”.

And like EVERY other “liberal” idea, this one simply exacerbated the problem.


73 posted on 03/21/2008 6:55:30 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Add to that list the $40 coupon for an HDTV receiver.


74 posted on 03/21/2008 6:57:25 AM PDT by July 4th
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To: Farmer Dean
My people got here in 1846,sick of fighting in the Prussian army.But just in time to don Union blue and fight.I figure blacks owe my family something when you get down to it.

The English, the Scots-Irish Protestants and the Germanics founded this nation and are the core. So many US farmers have German names

75 posted on 03/21/2008 7:01:22 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: fightinJAG
We wouldnot be talking about any "racial divide" today had the government not divided the races by allowing one to become dependent upon welfare---and, eventually, organize itself to maximize welfare "benefits"---while the other continued to make personal responsibility it's organizing principle.

But according to Buchanan, I as a black person should be grateful for the welfare state. Personally, if all of these wonderful "gifts" such as dependence on welfare and related programs would be abolished, I would be absolutely grateful.

Personally, the worst thing that happened to race relations in general is when it was thought that the government could buy its way out of racism and poverty though the "Great Society" rather than merely passing government anti-discrimination law and letting nature take its course. I don't want a handout, I just want the government to get out of my way in terms of living my life.

76 posted on 03/21/2008 7:06:34 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
+++++++++++++++++++++
After 20 years with Rev. Wright I think they’ve already had their conversation about race and have already decided that white people are keeping them down.


77 posted on 03/21/2008 7:13:09 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Dysart

How do you track stuff like that down? I have Scotch grandfather(greats) and wonder where they came from.


78 posted on 03/21/2008 7:17:22 AM PDT by Boblo
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To: Joan Kerrey

Think about the alternative,

if Whitey ISN’T keeping them down, what IS?

Oh, the HORROR of going down that line of reasoning...


79 posted on 03/21/2008 7:21:52 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ontap

“For most of my life I have heard about the discrimination of white on black. I have stood and listened to countless lectures by black and white liberals and have often wondered if we would ever get past it. Maybe this will be the catalyst to end this insatiable guilt trip we have been forced on. It is time to tell the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons and all the other race baiters and welfare pimps to take a hike. My grandparents did not benefit from slavery,my parents did not benefit from slavery, I did not benefit from slavery and my kids and grandkids certainly did not benefit from slavery but all of us have had to pay for it. Enough is enough I think it’s time this group of people took responsibility for their own rotten choices.”

An excellent and thoughtful posting which bears repeating.

Perhaps the failure of Obama - and the resulting “black rage” that result - will engender events that finally tear down the “brown curtain” of insincerity in American racial dialogue.

It’s time for whites to give up their guilt and speak openly. Whites MUST do this, regardless of the flood of “racist” accusations which will be hurled against them. The louder the howls from the leftist (and brown) crap machines become, the more whites must grit down and keep standing their ground.

Eventually - when the other side realizes that whites will no longer be silenced through insults and innuendo - they will be forced to abandon their indefensible positons. And they will be left to acknowledge the dehabilitating effects of “black culture”, as well. (Hasn’t Bill Cosby done this already?)

So long as things progress as they have been going for many blacks - with a poisonous culture that puts them on a divergent course from the cultural ideals of mainstream America - their lot will not improve, but grow worse.

And whites - who have so long beared a self-imposed burden of white guilt - are slowly gaining the courage to say openly to blacks that that lot is simply no longer “a white problem”, but is instead a black one.

- John


80 posted on 03/21/2008 7:32:54 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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