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Trading on America's Puritanical Streak (Barf alert)
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 03/14/08 | MARTHA NUSSBAUM

Posted on 03/14/2008 7:40:57 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort

Eliot Spitzer, one of the nation's most gifted and dedicated politicians, was hounded into resignation by a Puritanism and mean-spiritedness that are quintessentially American.

My European colleagues (I write from an academic conference in Belgium) have a hard time understanding what happened, but they know that it is one of those things that could only happen in America, where the topic of sex drives otherwise reasonable people insane. In Germany and the Netherlands, prostitution is legal and regulated by public health authorities. A man who did what Spitzer did would have a lot to discuss with his wife and family, but he would have broken no laws, and it would be laughable to accuse him of a betrayal of the public trust. This is as it should be. If Spitzer broke any laws, they were bad laws, laws that should never have existed.

Why are there laws against prostitution? All of us, with the exception of the independently wealthy and the unemployed, take money for the use of our body. Professors, factory workers, opera singers, sex workers, doctors, legislators — all do things with parts of their bodies for which others offer them a fee. Some people get good wages and some do not; some have a relatively high degree of control over their working conditions and some have little control; some have many employment options and some have very few. And some are socially stigmatized and some are not. However, the difference between the sex worker and the professor — who takes money for the use of a particularly intimate part of her body, namely her mind — is not the difference between a "good woman" and a "bad woman." It is, usually, the difference between a prosperous well-educated woman and a poor woman with few employment options.

The sliding stigma scale

Many types of bodily wage labor used to be socially stigmatized. In the Middle Ages it was widely thought base to take money for the use of one's scholarly services. Adam Smith, in "The Wealth of Nations," tells us there are "some very agreeable and beautiful talents" that are admirable so long as no pay is taken for them, "but of which the exercise for the sake of gain is considered, whether from reason or prejudice, as a sort of publick prostitution." For this reason, he continues, opera singers, actors and dancers must be paid an "exorbitant" wage, to compensate them for the stigma involved in using their talents "as the means of subsistence." His discussion is revealing for what it shows us about stigma. Today few professions are more honored than that of opera singer; and yet only 200 years ago, that public use of one's body for pay was taken to be a kind of prostitution.

Some of the stigma attached to opera singers was a general stigma about wage labor. Wealthy elites have always preferred genteel amateurism. But the fact that passion was being expressed publicly with the body — particularly the female body — made singers, dancers and actors nonrespectable in polite society until very recently. Now they are respectable, but women who take money for sexual services are still thought to be doing something that is not only nonrespectable but so bad that it should remain illegal.

What should really trouble us about sex work? That it is sex that these women do, with many customers, should not in and of itself trouble us, from the point of view of legality, even if we personally don't share the woman's values. Nonetheless, it is this one fact that still-Puritan America finds utterly intolerable. (Note, however, that we no longer allow a woman's sexual history to be used in a rape trial because we know that the fact that a woman may have had sex with many men does not mean that she has become a debased character who cannot be raped.)

Exploitation the sordid part

What should trouble us are things like this: The working conditions for most women in sex work are extremely unhealthy. They are exploited by pimps, and they enjoy little control over which clients they will accept. Police harass them and extort sexual favors from them. Some of these bad features (unhealthiness, little control) sex work shares with other job options for low-income women, such as factory work of many kinds. Other bad features (police extortion) are the natural result of illegality itself.

In general we should be worried about poverty and lack of education. We should be worried that women have too few decent employment options and too little health and safety regulation in those that they do have. And we should be worried if men force women to do things sexually that they do not want to do. All these things are worth worrying about, and it is these things that sensible nations do worry about. But the idea that we ought to penalize women with few choices by removing one of the ones they do have is grotesque, the unmistakable fruit of the all-too-American thought that women who choose to have sex with many men are tainted, vile things who must be punished.

Spitzer's offense was an offense against his family. It was not an offense against the public. If he broke any laws, these are laws that never should have existed and that have been repudiated by sensible nations. The hue and cry that has ruined one of the nation's most committed political careers shows our country to itself in a very ugly light.

Martha Nussbaum is a professor of law and ethics at the University of Chicago.


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I hardly know where to start. Spitzer as a victim..ooookayyyy.
1 posted on 03/14/2008 7:41:00 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Leroy S. Mort

“Martha Nussbaum is a professor of law and ethics at the University of Chicago.”

Ethics? What a joke.


2 posted on 03/14/2008 7:42:46 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Leroy S. Mort
• Martha Nussbaum is a professor of law and ethics at the University of Chicago.

Why is it these 'ethics' types are usually the most immoral dogs out there?

3 posted on 03/14/2008 7:42:59 AM PDT by Scourge of God (Pretty Stupid, Evil Stupid, or Old Stupid -- is this the best our country can find for President?)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

It’s like clockwork. “My Euro-trash friends don’t get it and they’re smarter and better than us.”


4 posted on 03/14/2008 7:43:21 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Start here; it’s not called the ‘Atlanta Urinal Constipation’ without good reason, LOL!


5 posted on 03/14/2008 7:43:55 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Hey Martha, regardless of the law or what he did to his family, it’s a question of integrity and character....traits that the leftists don’t see as a high priority given their candidates/politicians. If the man can lie to and to his family, what else has he lied about? Cheated on?

And this moron teaches ethics at UoC...un-friggin-believable.


6 posted on 03/14/2008 7:45:03 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Martha Nussbaum is an idiot. Spitzer was forced out not because of the sex but because he broke the law. Whatever one's views about prostitution, we've decided in our society its illegal and we expect people to respect the collective judgment of society. Then there's Spitzer's chutzpah in prosecuting prostitution rings and then patronizing one himself. Is this the kind of man the Democrats want to hold up a role model for the party? Nussbaum's jeremiad confirms the sickness that has been rotting away a party bereft of any standards for itself.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 03/14/2008 7:48:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Where were the complaints about America puritanism when Spitzer was putting people in jail for being in the prostitution business?

And btw, what the hell makes Europe such a model of enlightenment, given the shape of Western civilization there.


8 posted on 03/14/2008 7:48:13 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Nussbaum has always been a lefty fembot kook.

wonder if she’s kin to Hedda?

that said....decriminalizing prostitution in areas that would like to by local cultural standards is probably ok for me in a controlled way

but that has little to do with Elliot’s transgressions which have yet to be fully disclosed....like use of public funds or transport is my guess


9 posted on 03/14/2008 7:49:19 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama: The candidate for those who think Deliverance was a documentary.)
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To: Slapshot68
Since his behavior goes right to the heart of her specialty, law and ethics, maybe you might want to drop her a line: martha_nussbaum@law.uchicago.edu

The Dean of the Law School is Saul Levmore (s-levmore@uchicago.edu); he may be interested in hearing from you, too, as her comments reflect on the prestige of his faculty and university.

10 posted on 03/14/2008 7:51:26 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

I just emailed this moron:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/nussbaum


11 posted on 03/14/2008 7:51:33 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Leroy S. Mort

My parents emigrated from Europe and this behavior would have been condemned by any of our ancestors.


12 posted on 03/14/2008 7:51:36 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Maceman
Prostitution is far from a victimless crime. It cost a powerful man his career. But Nussbaum is too full of herself to notice it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 03/14/2008 7:52:16 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Scourge of God

That’s a good question. I guess today’s academia doesn’t care about integrity or competence as long as one sings the correct political tunes.


14 posted on 03/14/2008 7:54:32 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: goldstategop

I actually support the legalization of discreet prostitution (as opposed to street walking).

But that doesn’t change the fact that Spitzer needs to pay heavily for breaking the law that he was so vigorous about enforcing as a prosecutor.


15 posted on 03/14/2008 7:56:33 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: A_Former_Democrat
The Left no longer believes in right and wrong and in standards of excellence and decency. That's why it can defend low-lifes like Spitzer without qualm or shame.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 03/14/2008 7:57:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Maceman
Make prostitution a "legitimate" occupation and then you can lose unemployment benefits for refusing a "job".

Don't say it couldn't happen. This is gubmint we talkin' about.

17 posted on 03/14/2008 7:59:52 AM PDT by thulldud (Insanity: Electing John McCain again and expecting a different result.)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Martha Nussbaum is a professor of law and ethics at the University of Chicago.

Sometimes the jokes just write themselves. And to believe she teaches! Although, school is in session and she says she's cavorting around the Eurozone. Probably another one of those who doesn't really teach.

18 posted on 03/14/2008 8:00:32 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: Maceman
My view is if consenting adults want to exchange their own money for sex in the privacy of their bedroom, they should be allowed to do so.

As for having a puritanical side, again - it wasn't the sex that bothered Americans as much as Spitzer's acting in a manner apposite the cause he championed throughout his career. You can't say prostitute is a scourge upon society and then make an exception for yourself.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

19 posted on 03/14/2008 8:01:19 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: thulldud

That’s my worry. It’s already happened in Germany, where it is legal. Although I don’t know if it’s happened in Nevada, where it’s also legal in some places.


20 posted on 03/14/2008 8:04:19 AM PDT by lesser_satan
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