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1 posted on 03/12/2008 7:40:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Wanting to protect our borders and ensure those here ILLEGALLY are not allowed in and/or kicked out is now hateful rhetoric.

Funny how the pro-illegal crowd has no harsh words for Mexico's anti-illegal immigration policies. But the U.S. is soooo "mean-spirited" when we seek to enforce our own laws. Gack.

2 posted on 03/12/2008 7:42:57 PM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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GOP Moves to Force Immigration Vote

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Mar 11, 1:46 AM (ET)

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS

WASHINGTON (AP) - House Republicans are trying to force action on a Democratic-written immigration enforcement measure, the latest GOP attempt to elevate the volatile issue into an election-year wedge.

Republican leaders hope that by pushing the bill - endorsed by 48 centrist Democrats and 94 Republicans - they can drive Democrats into a politically painful choice: Backing a tough immigration measure that could alienate their base, including Hispanic voters, or being painted as soft on border security in conservative-leaning districts.

The plan is fraught with political risks for both parties. A full-blown immigration debate could call attention to Republicans' divisions at a time when their expected presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, is fighting to gain the trust of the GOP base.

McCain, R-Ariz., played a prominent role in failed legislative efforts to grant some of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants already here a path to legal status, which conservatives deride as "amnesty." He now says he would consider such a plan only after the borders have been fortified.

House Republicans are eyeing a bill by Rep. Heath Shuler, D-N.C., that would do just that, as well as mandate that employers verify that their workers are in the U.S. legally.

Leaders are expected as early as Tuesday to use a parliamentary tactic that would eventually force a vote on the measure if 218 lawmakers - a majority of the House - demand it. Republicans are pressuring Democratic backers of the measure - including several first-termers and dozens from swing districts, all facing tough re-election fights - to defy their leaders and sign the petition.

"Lots of Republicans and lots of Democrats would like to see something done," Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., the No. 2 whip, said Friday.

The move would be a rebuke to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who opposes the Shuler bill unless it's paired with measures to allow undocumented workers a chance at legal status and allow legal immigrants to bring more family members to the United States. Democratic leaders have been working behind the scenes to craft an alternative that could dissuade their more conservative members who back Shuler's bill from joining the GOP effort to press forward on it.

They are considering pairing a widely popular measure by Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., to allow more seasonal workers to come to the United States under so-called H-2B visas with proposals aimed at speeding the process of granting immigrants' spouses and minor children visas to join their parents in the U.S., among others. Also under discussion is a bill that would allow nonresident immigrants serving in the military to become citizens.

It's not clear whether Republicans can gather enough support for a vote on the bipartisan enforcement bill, which couldn't take place until April at the earliest. GOP leaders relish the idea of calling attention to Democrats' rifts on the issue in advance of Congress' 14-day Easter recess starting next week. They plan to blast Democrats who have endorsed the legislation but not signed onto the effort to force a vote on it.

"I think it makes it harder for the majority to do nothing," Rep. Adam Putnam, R-Fla, said of the idea last week. "On a district-by-district basis, there will be places where this is an important issue."

Shuler has said he would sign the petition. He's one of several conservative-leaning freshman lawmakers whose elections in Republican or swing districts gave Democrats control of the House in 2006, handing Pelosi the speaker's gavel. He won his race amid Republican efforts to tie him to Pelosi, including an ad that accused him of plotting with Democrats "to take over Congress with the votes of illegal immigrants."

"He does support the (legislation) and would like to see an up-or-down vote," said Andrew Whalen, Shuler's spokesman. "He would prefer that it didn't become a political issue."

Some Democrats said they are eager to debate the legislation.

"It's a very big issue. I hear a lot about it, and that's why I want to bring it to the floor," said Rep. Jason Altmire, R-Pa., another first-termer who is co-sponsoring the bill. "We need to address it. Let's just bring it all to the floor and see what wins."

Even some Democrats who back Shuler's bill bristle at the idea of joining Republicans to force a vote on it, voicing concern that they're being used as political pawns.

"For their presidential candidate to have supported amnesty and for them to be pulling a stunt like this is pure politics," said Rep. Lincoln Davis, D-Tenn., a co-sponsor of Shuler's bill.

In the Senate, a group of mostly conservative Republicans last week unveiled a package of legislation to crack down on illegal immigration and secure the border. They, too, said they would use procedural tactics to get Democrats on the record on the volatile immigration issue.

Democrats are trying to turn the tables, hoping that Republicans' efforts to push get-tough immigration measures will hurt McCain with Hispanic voters and independents, two groups that have supported him in the past.


3 posted on 03/12/2008 7:45:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Would the e-Verify system by voluntary or mandatory under this bill. I also understand that SAVE would effectively mandate a birth certificate database, which is necessary to implement the loathesome Real ID.


4 posted on 03/12/2008 7:48:59 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It’s an excellent opportunity for McCain to show us that he can listen to the American people and come out in support of a bill that makes sense.

No, it's simply more meaningless posturing. Even if it were to pass, it wouldn't do a lick of good without any enforcement. </yawn>

Call me cynical.

6 posted on 03/12/2008 8:03:46 PM PDT by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: The Paucity of Hope)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

McCain did quickly say, “Yeah” when Tim asked him if he, as POTUS, would definitely sign McCain’s amnesty bill if it ever came to his desk, and then McCain quickly proceeded to change the subject to border security first.


7 posted on 03/12/2008 8:06:47 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

McCain will truly either shine and agree to sign on to the SAVE Act, or he will truly “politically fall flat on his face” for the sake of long-term amnesty for illegal immigrants throughout the U.S.!


8 posted on 03/12/2008 8:10:57 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

McCain will NOT support the SAVE Act.

He has stated his position quite clearly. He wants to make all 20-40 million illegals citizens, and all of their siblings, children, and parents that the current laws allow to follow here. He will sign any amnesty bill that comes to his desk.

His “secure the borders first” is a sham. The Senate is in session. If he meant it he can submit a bill right now - it’s all not-straight talk.

McCain’s advisers like Charlie Black have already written off conservative voters in a ploy for Hispanics, independents and Democrats.


11 posted on 03/12/2008 8:35:32 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Election year pandering. sort of sick!!


13 posted on 03/12/2008 8:48:09 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

McCain will not miss the opportunity to betray americans. you can see bush already moving that way on the border now that the heat is off.


18 posted on 03/12/2008 9:38:28 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
44 million Latinos

It's more like 144 million with the illegals here and THAT is why we don't want them to become citizens. Los Angeles is the perfect example of what happens when they get "one of their own" in there! A city full of gang violence and increased crime. Why? Because they are a lawless people who don't even obey the laws in Mexico. Why would they obey them here?

19 posted on 03/12/2008 9:44:59 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

No matter what gets passed, both sides will come back after the elections and gut any tough anti- amnesty bill.

Dems and Pubbies both want amnesty. It’s all about money, power and votes.


28 posted on 03/13/2008 7:25:29 PM PDT by airborne (For ENGLISH, press '1' . For SPANISH, hang up and learn ENGLISH!)
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